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Katie Hopkins vs. Peaches Geldorf on This Morning

349 replies

MulberryHag · 12/11/2013 11:03

Knitting your own Birkenstocks?!
Katie Hopkins again.. Doesn't she ever go away? The debate about Attachment Parenting didn't seem to even go anywhere or be resolved.
Anyone else see it?
AIBU to think Katie Hopkins needs less airtime?

OP posts:
wigglesrock · 12/11/2013 18:44

I look at slightly differently - Katie Hopkins is a self styled shit stirrer - a bit like a shock jock but without the sense of irony. I think I called her a lesser Peter Andre on a previous thread Smile But it's a persona & I'm sure that's what she tells herself when she thinks about her kids. Peaches Geldof appears to being held up as some kind of example because she managed to piss Katie Hopkins off. She may be a great Mum, I have no reason to doubt it, but she's a famous for being famous celebrity as well, I really don't care how she feeds or sleeps with her kids but she needs to grow up a bit & consider the statements that leave her brain & mouth especially when they concern the death of other peoples children.

IamInvisible · 12/11/2013 18:48

Of course he is MmeLindor, look at that strap done between his legs!

MmeLindor · 12/11/2013 18:49

Retro
She was on the phone when it happened, and didn't immediately hang up (had phone tucked under ear) so some criticized for that. I think when something like that happens, we often react in ways that we'd later think, WTF did I do that for.

I left handbrake off the car once, and stood there in shock while petrol station attendant ran out and stopped the car (with my kids in their car seats) rolling into a wall.

MmeLindor · 12/11/2013 18:51

Invisible
Never had a child roll off the bed? Trapped a little finger in a door? Dropped child while getting jacket on?

Nice to be perfect, and never make mistakes.

MrsBucketxx · 12/11/2013 18:51

I hate to say it here but I dont agree with ap

And the mothers that do ap, will tell you till their blue in the face about how ap makes them amazing patents (insinuating your way is crap)

I did cc with mine and both sleep happily in their own beds at 2 and 3, a lot of ap parents at this age dont have that luxury.

Parent how you wish, but I know which way worked for me.

MmeLindor · 12/11/2013 18:53

MrsB
I don't completely agree with AP either tbh.

And I would never say that my way of doing things was the right way. Each to their own.

OrlandoWoolf · 12/11/2013 18:54

Dropping a baby from a pushchair vs spouting obnoxios opinions about names, ginger hair, obesity etc on TV and shagging married people in fields.

I think I know who the better parent is.

earlesswonder · 12/11/2013 18:55

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IamInvisible · 12/11/2013 18:56

I don't go on TV saying how wonderful my method of parenting is MmeLindor.

And in answer to your question, I have never dropped one of my children, nor shut their finger in a door, but DH had DS1 roll off the bed.

earlesswonder · 12/11/2013 18:57

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MmeLindor · 12/11/2013 19:03

Did you judge your DH for that, Invisible?

Earless
My kids are fab too - no CC, no babywearing, no co-sleeping, no BFing. No AP.

There isn't some kind of magic formula, Invisible. Do this, and add that, a bit of this and that, and LO! A perfectly raised child.

Everyone is different, and all we can do is try not to judge others.

Except KH. I am fine with people judging her.

bundaberg · 12/11/2013 19:04

i don't get the whole "ap parents are always going on about it, even on national tv"

well... yes. PG was invited to take part in a debate.
it isn't very much of a debate if one side doesn't show up, or says nothing. is it?

Confused
MmeLindor · 12/11/2013 19:05

Wasn't the story actually, that Peaches mentioned AP and KH had a pop at her.

Then This Morning invited them both on to discuss.

That is how I understood it.

Mummyoftheyear · 12/11/2013 19:05

Just started to watch it. Gd I wanna slap Katie. Those bulging eyes and patronising side glances. Grrrrrr!

bundaberg · 12/11/2013 19:07

exactly... they were invited on to discuss.

discussions generally need 2 sides. right? just like this thread

OrlandoWoolf · 12/11/2013 19:08

"Discuss" Grin

Katie does not discuss. She dismisses and comes out with crap about yoghurt, slings and mums in Costa.

IamInvisible · 12/11/2013 19:21

I know there is no magic formula strangely enough MmeLindor, I haven't said there is! Confused

frizzcat · 12/11/2013 19:47

None of them covered themselves in glory, PG spoke like someone who has dipped into the research pertinent to her and to the detriment of all other research - hence her naive comments on infant death syndrome, which she referred to as "cot death"! Bloody hell babies can and have died in their mothers arms in hospital of infant death syndrome. Retard is a derogatory term taken from a medical term that was once used to define/diagnose people with disabilities. Use of it is unacceptable, as its used to throw an insult to someone which is basically saying "youre as bad as a retard" PG seems like a bright girl I'm sure she could come up with something far more cutting and witty. And you always let the other side talk, it's the quickest way from them to hang themselves.

KH was her usual predictable boring self, her proximity to PG I suspect an attempt to take the piss out of AP. Or am I giving her too much credit? Arrived clearly having not done any research with no real point to make a few sound bites, that she's probably thought made her sound terrible witty, and pulling faces that would have surely of reached the final of a gurning competition. Zzzzzzz sorry I fell asleep I'm so over this little charade.

I'm neither offended or concerned for how either of these ladies rsise their children. So long as the dc are fed, clean (mostly), have homes are loved and are not being physically/sexually/mentally abused, then I have no beef with you.
What I do have a beef with is this concept of being a parent is almost like a project to be managed. Words like "parenting" and AP and CC and whatever else, these words exist so people so people can sell books or get a research grant. All they ever really do is divide parents and I think this is never more true than with mums and add to the guilt complex - "am I doing enough?" " am I doing it right?" "I'm rubbish because I don't do this" " I must do this or dc won't develop to their full potential" It's exhausting ffs and I'm fucking tired of listening to it and I often wonder if our generation will be remembered as the one who actually interfered and over - "parented" our children and I dare say to the detriment of our own mental wellbeing.

So thank you PG and KT, you seem happy with your choices and I am truly glad that this is working for you. But, if you don't mind I'm going to nip back to being a "mum" and doing things my own way, a bit of CC approach, a bit of AP approach and a fair amount frizzcat thrown into the mix, because I tired of hearing about others children and how they love their child, I'm just going to crack on with my own children and continue to love them as I have always done.

Also there's no glory in beating KH the woman is so unbelievable dim that I think not beating her in an argument is fairly shameful.

OrlandoWoolf · 12/11/2013 19:49

There's no magic formula. But I love the way Katie is so dismissive of the "yogurt weaving, Costa drinking, sling wearing, Mumsnet mafia"

So I can't take her or anything she says seriously. You should see her tweets though.

twitter.com/KTHopkins

ElfontheShelfIsWATCHINGYOUTOO · 12/11/2013 19:51

I thought Peaches looked very peachy Grin, luminous.

It was not the humdinger I was expecting.

HOwever I certainly know which woman I would rather be the child of!

catellington · 12/11/2013 19:54

Why are people attacking earless?

There is a lot of hostility on this thread towards AP and saying AP parents go on about it but there isn't the same hostility back.

hardboiledpossum · 12/11/2013 19:59

I don't think it is true at all that ap parents are more vocal about their parenting style. every bloody person I spoke when my child was a baby tried to convince me to do cc and plenty criticised me for not even when I made it plainly clear that I was happy to co sleep. when I spoke to other mums about co sleeping lots also admitted they did but normally kept it quiet.

I don't actually consider myself an ap parent but I did breast feed and have co slept on and off for the past 2.5 years.

imofftolisdoonvarna · 12/11/2013 20:00

The term 'attachment parenting' makes me want to gouge my own eyes out.

ElfontheShelfIsWATCHINGYOUTOO · 12/11/2013 20:00

Agree Catellington

I think some people take it too personally, you can argue that CC etc can hurt your baby, cortisol levels and so on, you can say it does or doesnt hurt them.

but there are no studies saying, "don't hold your baby too much" etc, so the ones who have CC etc can get really touchy about it and defensive, it shows.

I think it looks more like they are not sure of their choices.

I think PG made a really excellent point about developing countries though.

grimbletart · 12/11/2013 20:04

2 rentagobs slagging each other off. Meanwhile back at normal parenthood…….

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