Katie Hopkins vs. Peaches Geldorf on This Morning

[MulberryHag]

Knitting your own Birkenstocks?!
Katie Hopkins again.. Doesn't she ever go away? The debate about Attachment Parenting didn't seem to even go anywhere or be resolved.
Anyone else see it?
AIBU to think Katie Hopkins needs less airtime?

You don't really want raised cortisol levels. Yes they go up and down but if you do stressful stuff that raises them, that's bad. Cortisol is a powerful hormone.

I happened to watch it earlier and was very impressed with Peaches Geldof. Whatever the rights or wrongs of the debate, she had a reasoned, thought out points to make whereas KH resorted to ridiculous sound bytes of controversy. Well done PG!

Cortisol levels are meant to adapt to situation but they need to be balanced. Constant raising lowers immunity I think I will dig out my information on this. When I had my 2nd transplant one of the main discussions I had with my doctors was about going back onto steroids after a couple of years off them. Whilst on dialysis my blood pressure normalised and various other niggly things which couldn't be brought under control sorted themselves out. I had no choice though

KH, as the older woman, ought to have handled it with more dignity, why was she so threatened that she felt the need to slap PG down with sarcasm and snide put downs?

retro you said that the only study done on cortisol was a study in an orphanage decades ago, I was pointing out that you are wrong and that there have been recent studies where raised cortisol has been observed in children during controlled crying.
I am not getting 'het up' , just stating the facts.

I don't think there will be a study showing the opposite fwiw- neroscience is fairly reliable.

and the study didn't just show raised cortisol for a few minutes whilst crying, cortisol was raised at bedtime 3 weeks after cc had started and the babies no longer crying.

Dont have any stong opinions on AP either way, but think KH is an arse. Peaches really socked it to her [big grin]

I don't need parenting advice from anyone now, my kids are almost 19 and 17. But if I did I wouldn't listen to someone who couldn't even be bothered to strap her baby in a pushchair properly, tbh.

It was crappy daytime telly drivel.

Neither of them came out of it well. I would also want to sack the production team because I imagine that the average viewer was thinking what the fuck are they talking about because Peaches spent so long talking about the 'B' rules and didn't get to the point. If there was a point.

I think both of them spouted some twaddle but I'm glad Peaches called out Katie on slagging her children off in the national press.

I'm inclined to say Peaches 'won', but is that because I did some of the things she was talking about?

Go Peaches!

"It's not jargon, it's the English language"

I didn't/don't AP, by the way, but I love that Peaches said what many of us feel about KH - namely the rent-a-gob stuff

I think that Peaches did really well. She did say that you don't have to stick to everything that is in the AP books, and that she finds it sad that it has a name.

She didn't say that those who don't do AP are bad mothers, or that they don't love their kids.

It is really cruel to berate her on the fact that she didn't strap her baby into the pushchair. I have done that, and so have many many other parents. Or turned away at the wrong moment, and the baby has rolled off the bed.

Lucky there are some perfect parents around, who have NEVER done anything wrong, huh?

Fgs babies have been crying since time began.

Crying in your own bed in your own home for a few minutes each day is never going to be on a dangerously high cortisol list.Babies are built to withstand upset.Methinks an awful lot of other baby experiences would involve far higher levels of cortisol.

Yes working in the stock exchange,as a brain surgeon,teacher day in and out,doing the London commute are going to involve high levels but a baby in a loving home with plenty of cuddles,access to parents and security but who doesn't have mummy dropping everything at the slightest whimper isn't in any way comparable.

So enough with the scaremongering thanks.

I remember reading somewhere that Peaches is a scientologist - is AP part of the religion I wonder?

retro Regardless of your views on AP, what do you think of Katie the person who said no to Sir Alan?

I stopped listening the minute Peaches Geldof made the comment re cot death. Silly silly child - Katie Hopkins may spout the greatest load of shite but Peaches Geldof comment was cruel, hurtful & dismissive.

Wiggles I agree.

It isn't even called cot death any more its SIDS.

Hey, Peaches. If you are reading this (I bet you are, I certainly would be), would you come and do a Webchat on MN?

Previously not keen but warmed to her during this particular interview.

Actually leaving my babies every weekend so I could go on a shagfest a la Peaches would have stressed my 3 way more than the 3 nights of CC(that's mostly all it takes,shame Peaches was uninformed on that too) they experienced.

I would really like to read more about the research in this area.

The SIDs thing bothered me too, Wiggles. When my DC were little, the advice was not to co-sleep. Has that advice changed?

I disagree earless and actually would venture to suggest lack of sleep is far more damaging.You hear far more concern and info re actual damage that causes from proper health professionals than you ever hear re Cortisol.

I hate KH. Go Peaches!