To think a judge should not be able to stop a mother from breast feeding?

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If this is true I think this judge has been wholly out of order. What about this child's rights? And any father worth their salt would not demand this.

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The hungry baby milk con.

My favourite quote ever

There are lies, damned lies and then there are statistics

basilbabyeater all the oldies and goodies are out. It is all about the mothers. My Johny was healthy therefore all ff babies are healthier than bf babies. You cannot tell at the school gates you need to look at the GP records for that. Bf bingo here tonight. In vino veritas I am guessing.

So neun, you just ignore all the other socio-economic , health and lifestyle factors?

^No, but the studies take those into account.

There are lies, damned lies and then there are statistics true that is why every health organisation in the world promotes bf they have all fallen for the lies.

So are you suggesting that the World Health Organisation has set up an elaborate conspiracy of lying about statistics on breastfeeding (or smoking) Normalisavariantofcrazy?

Really?

OMG you think statisticians are so thick they don't weight the data for other lifestyle factors?

[bewildered]

No. I'm simply stating that the answers don't always lay in the numbers.

Figures can be manipulated (god knows I've done enough of it at work!) to say pretty much anything.

Just saying exercise caution

So neun, you just ignore all the other socio-economic , health and lifestyle factors?
Caitlin credible studies build in those factors, as per my last post why would all health organisations around the world support bf as a public health issues if it were not for the countless studies showing the same results.

Yes, figures can be manipulated to say almost anything.

But what motivation do you think the WHO has, for manipulating figures to pretend that outcomes from breastfeeding across the board, irrespective of country, region, class, socio-economic status, race, education level, etc. - any variable you like - are better than for formula feeding, if they are not?

Who would benefit from such a deception? A massive multi-national conglomerate like Nestle for example? Would they be giving the WHO backhanders? Probably not. Nestle's nearest competitors? Also not that likely. The International Association of Babies? More probable, but I'm not sure they've got either the funding or the organisational skillset to do the amount of bribery and corruption needed, to fiddle these particular figures.

Of course you cannot tell a bf child to a ff child. Absolute rubbish. Never have to take my ds to the doctors. Never ill 'touch wood'.
My best friend bf her dd for 18months. The child has all sorts wrong with her, allergies, asthmatic, eczema, always got colds, chest infections its ongoing up the doctors for something or other. And all she kept bleating on about was how she was giving her dd the best start in life and that it was more healthier for the child. Load of old rubbish. My sisters 3 kids are always ill, colds, chest infections, ear infections etc. two were bf, one was formula fed. Cant tell the difference between all three.

Oh bugger it basil, you've found me out.

It was I. I did it in the hope that people using something totally free would one day enable me to get a mahoosive sun seeker.

Nice to see you have spectacularly missed the point, again mylovelyboy

Oh and for the record I was also the third man on the grassy knoll

Sockreturn. Just seen the link you sent re hungry baby con! NHS -formula? I thought it was a link explaining the so called 'con' . Wheres the con.

Mylovelyboy do you or do you not agree that bf babies are generally healthier than ff babies?

Was it not obvious.

No nutritional benefits over normal formula nor evidence it helps with anything at all added together with concerns over its use with very little babies.

Your baby did not needhungry baby milk it being a product that has no more nutrition in it so no better at sorting out actual hunger or nutritional need,and its only difference being that its harder to digest so takes longer.

That's the con

Mylovelyboy - my grandmother lived till she was 100, even though she smoked for 80 years.

So all the statistics on smoking are wrong, aren't they? Because one woman I once knew, did something different from what the data on all the other people in the world, shows generally happens.

Just like with your friend's DD who has eczema and allergies (and we don't know how much worse those conditions would have been if she hadn't breast-fed).

Or do you accept that anecdata is not actually as reliable as real data?

Pixie, I knew that was you on that knoll, I was in the building opposite.

Taken from NHS website on Casein based formula/hungry baby formula. Infant formula that is mostly based on casein is thought to take your baby longer to digest than whey-based formula. It is not recommended for young babies. There is little nutritional difference between this formula and first infant formula. Although it is often described as suitable for ‘hungrier babies’ there is no evidence that babies settle better or sleep longer when fed this type of formula.

Neun, not I do not agree that bf are generally healthier than ff. The health outcomes for children depend on a wide number of factors. The children at my son's private school will undoubtedly be generally healthier whether they were breast fed or not, than the children in a school in a deprived area.

Caitlin if you cannot accept the premise that bf is not healthier for babies then your views are completely understandable. I do not share them which is why I would not see your views as being in any way valid in any conversation on bf and I can understand why mine would never be valid to you. If you believe as I do that bf is a huge advantage to the individual child, ie the same child would have better outcomes being bf than ff, then that shapes how you do everything from that point on. My children would share your children's socioeconomic status but my 2 ff ladies did not share your child's health outcomes. As I said before than is insignificant as it is only an anecdote but over a population even for their socioeconomic group the outcomes are still better for bf children.

Sorry that bf is healthier

My little boy was a mixture of express breastfed and ff. My nipples are totally flat and he just couldn't latch on and the breast shields kept falling off, he couldn't feed properly with them and without the sucking action my breasts didn't make enough for EBF. I pumped as much as I could for 5 months and topped up with formula.

I really wanted to breastfeed and was upset I couldn't. But the worst thing was the constant haranguing and bullying to breastfeed from health professionals. My little boy actually ended up doing a starvation stool and getting quite ill because the wouldn't listen to me when I said I was producing no milk and didn't offer top ups.

If my experience is anything to go by I think that in a lot of cases the benefits of breastfeeding may be outweighed by the damage the current attitudes to breastfeeding can cause to a new mother's mental health. I really wanted to do it but was bullied, they refused to release me from hospital until he latched on even when I was topping up, but couldn't help me to do it. They put me on a regime where I pumped for an hour and a half, fed for an hour and a half and then only had an hour to sleep. It was like being prisoner of war.

If I have another child I will try and breastfeed but will specify point blank that I do not want to have any contact whatsoever with breastfeeding support workers.

Seasickgal i had inverted nipples and tongue tie in all of mine and it took 3 children before anyone had a clue what was going on. Even with that there was 1, yes 1, doctor routinely snipping posterior tongue ties in Ireland when we went to get it done. I was torn to shreds all 3 times. Caitlin asked me earlier did I believe all women could bf. my honest answer to that in a society which had been totally dominated by a culture of ff is no. The expertise necessary to help women over the early days of bf was severely compromised by more than one generation of mothers not bf. My mum had inverted nipples and I have tt but she bottle fed cows milk not formula to us all. her mother bf 9 children if her knowledge had not been lost going to my mum who knows she might have been able to help me but as it was that could not happen. You situation was shit and I know how awful it can be but ironically it was finding the right lactation support that helped me. If it were bit for how bad my older 2 were on formula I might never have bothered though so I know exactly where you are coming from.