to think that you should not lie your baby down on her changing mat and change her nappy on the floor in the middle of a crowded exhibition hall?

[Mintyy]

I expect I'll get some yanbus as I've seen people attempting to justify changing nappies in restaurants and libraries before now.

But, it's just really not on, is it?

Dear everyone who thinks it's ok to subject the public to your DC's shit: you know when you get upset that cafés, libraries etc aren't child-friendly? This is why.

Selfish, entitled behavior from a small minority is what gives parents a bad name.

These days, I actively avoid anywhere that advertises itself as family friendly.
That is because of entitled twattish parents like you outraged.

OK, Outraged, maybe me crapping on your hearthrug isn't the best analogy. How about this one; you are in the library with your children when you feel a simply enormous, and very urgent, shit coming on. Do you, because it really wouldn't be very convenient to take all the children upstairs to the loo, simply get out your handy tupperware container and crap into it, right there in the library, or do you find a way to get upstairs to the loo? If you would find the former unthinkable, then you should understand why most people find it revolting beyond belief that a parent will change a shitty nappy in the library, or on a picnic table in the park, or indeed anywhere except a toilet or, in total extremis, tucked away out of anyone's sight (and hopefully smell).
And those of you who persist in doing this, at least you now know what most of the population think of you, and why your friends might "come over all embarrassed" when you start your weird in-public shit shenanigans.

ouch!

If a five second glimpse of baby poo, in a corner, somewhere where there are no easily accessible changing facilities upsets you that much, how on earth do you manage day to day?

If you saw someone changing a nappy in full view, when there were changing facilities available, what would you do? Spontaneously combust from outrage?

Answer the question, Outraged - do you shit in the library, or do you find a way to get to the loo?

It's a tricky one blue. If the shit was that urgent, there would be no time to get to the loos in the library. It's a real time consuming hassle to get up there. I'd probably have to go home. Thing is, that's a really unlikely/unusual event, whereas changing a baby is 2/3 times a day. I could grab the kids and run home once in a blue moon (as I would if the baby had a major poosplosion), but it's not practical on a day to day basis.

Theoretically, if I regularly needed a giant shit that could not wait and I could discretely, in around 5 seconds, pop it in a tupperware dish, and I had no concept of privacy/embarrassment, then I would probably poo in the dish.

The constant comparison to adults is just not valid though imo.

Can you tell me about the time you were harmed by a baby's poo being out for five seconds in a quiet corner of a public place? Maybe if I understand the harm it can cause I could understand your point better? So far it's grim and disgusting and entitled (bingo) and twattish and so on, but I've not seen any actual harm done?

'Answer the question, Outraged - do you shit in the library, or do you find a way to get to the loo?'

blimey, give me a minute!!

'Answer the question, Outraged - do you shit in the library'

btw this is the greatest question I've ever been asked on mumsnet!

Shit stinks.

So it's an unpleasant thing to subject others to, just because you cba to use the correct facilities.

Also, in the library, you & your shitty hands are then going to be touching things that the rest of us have to touch.

Clean people use the toilet for shit-related activities & give their hands a wash afterwards.

It's hardly rocket science.

Back to shitty hands again?

I don't know how you people change nappies! Maybe the kids I've encountered just have very neat poo?

According to Dr Turps, who posted earlier, just because you don't have visible shit on your hands after changing a crapnap, you will have very large numbers of faecal bacteria all over them. And yes, I do know that there are faecal bacteria all over everything anyway, but you and your ilk are gaily spreading even more of them everywhere.
Very happy that I've hit the jackpot on asking you the best MN question ever!

So you can take your child with neat poo to the toilet & drop it off neatly, then?

I wouldn't lose sleep over it - if I caught a whiff I'd be mildly grossed out, but hey I've three of my own, it's not like it's a smell I've never encountered before.

I'd think you were a bit lacking in social awareness though, if you were scraping your child's bum in the corner of the library. It'd be there with public nose-picking or bollock-rearranging: doesn't actually harm anyone else, but makes you look like a bit of a minger, frankly.

'It'd be there with public nose-picking or bollock-rearranging: doesn't actually harm anyone else, but makes you look like a bit of a minger, frankly'

I don't do either of the other two, so I reckon I'm alright. 1/3 ain't bad!

If the choices are;

1. Struggle up 3 flights of stairs with kids and buggy/go home when we've just got there.

1. Leave the child sitting in poo

1. Look a bit of a minger.

I'm happy with 3.

'According to Dr Turps, who posted earlier, just because you don't have visible shit on your hands after changing a crapnap, you will have very large numbers of faecal bacteria all over them.'

Well I haven't seen DrTurps research, but I can tell you this; no skin to poo, or even skin to skin contact takes place. Hands are thoroughly wiped and antibacterial gel is used.

Do tell me the time when you were harmed by this type of thing though. It'd be much easier for me to understand if I had a real-life example rather than all the theoretical comparison questions.

I once did a shit in a library it was caused by the door on the only bog I could access being jammed so I couldn't open it and the woman who was coming to assist took to long.

Was a most unfortunate incident but not the first and won't be the last

Get a grip it is a babies nappy- who cares where you do a quick change as long as nobody can trip over you!

I must be the worlds worst nappy changer, I always end up with a lingering poo scent on my hands.

Outraged, why do you have to carry the buggy up the stairs too?

Leeds i look forward to the day when you are asked to leave a library, restaurant soft play area,- or wherever you happen to be with your shitty baby. It will happen believe me

'Outraged, why do you have to carry the buggy up the stairs too?'

I suppose I don't have to, but the chances of it still being there when we got back would be quite slim! Either that or we'd cause an 'abandoned package' evacuation .

It's only happened in that library once and because I don't consider changing the nappy in the corner a big deal, I just did it. I didn't give it much thought. You're right though I didn't absolutely need to take the buggy upstairs. I guess I didn't absolutely need to take the other DC's either...

'Leeds i look forward to the day when you are asked to leave a library, restaurant soft play area,- or wherever you happen to be with your shitty baby. It will happen believe me smile'

Would you like me to come back and tell you when it does?

Yanbu

You should always go somewhere private, show some respect for your baby and others.

I remember being shocked and also nauseous when mothers were changing their babies in the aisles of the cinema at the baby/mother screening. Just laziness and a lack of consideration.

YANBU totally agree, go somewhere private.

If (and a very big if) there is nowhere to go, then at least go to a corner and crouch down behind the pushchair.

I remember being pretty grossed out by a (popular) baby book which said don't change a nappy in the toilet on a plane as there's no space, do it on your seat instead. Possibly if it was just wet and you did it on the window seat where no-one could see. (Although I would always use the toilet.) But otherwise - pooey nappy, stinking out a plane which everyone is stuck on for the next 12 hours. Lovely.....

Oh i'm sure you will outraged[smile} I can just see it. AIBU to be outraged that i was asked to leave ( insert restaurant museum, library cinema etc) because i was changing my precious babies nappy, which smelt of gorgous shitty lovlieness, and the fuckers who were eating and drinking at the next table had the gall to complain!!! It's discrimination, that's what it is.
I should be allowed to do what i like whenever i like cos i have dropped a couple of sprogs.
And then perhaps a line about going to the papers, and encouraging your mummy friends to boycott said place

I wouldn't do it near food, I've said that.

I promise I'll tell you first before I do an AIBU and write to the Daily Mail

Outraged I think I love you.

Last time I commented on one of these threads, I got shouted at for changing my boys nappy on a train. I had to constantly repeat that NO, I couldn't change him in the loo as it was not big enough, and the floor of it was covered in piss so I was not going to kneel, NO I couldn't wait for next stop, it was 5 hours away, NO I was not going to leave my boy's nappy stinking out the train when I could deal with it and get rid of the smell in two minutes etc.
Someone suggested that I take a rug to lay on the toilet floor. Yeah. Cos that wouldn't be a pain in the arse to carry, along with my baby and two bags on a 12 hour train journey. I'll just balance it on my bloody head shall I?

I asked the people opposite if they minded, and waited until they were not eating. They said no. So I changed it. Yes, had there been some space elsewhere I would've moved, but there wasn't.