Why do you think behaviour in schools is so much worse than even 10 yrs ago.

[soul2000]

This is not a joke thread. I am generally interested as to how much the standard of behaviour has deteriated in the last 25 years since i left school.

What amazes me, is that teachers are not shocked when watching programes like educating yorkshire, that just shows how bad the behaviour of some pupils is.

Another shocking thing is that pupils who in my time would have been labeled a menace "ME INCLUDED" are now seen as upstanding pupils.

How has the standard fallen so far and what can be done to re address the balance.

This thread is in support of teachers.

But are we talking about behaviour in Special Schools?

I doubt a child who was attaining level 2 would be in Mainstream Secondary unless there was specialist support on hand in separate classes.

So mainstream non specialists are not being asked to teach these particular children.

If Mainstream was fully inclusive provision would have to be made.

My point being why complain as if non specialists are expected to teach the above group of children? They are not, are they?

'sorry if you are being sarcastic, I couldnt quite tell, but just in case level 2 means National Curriculum level 2 - the national expectation of a 7 year old - you can't put a level 2 child in a GCSE class - they would simply not be able to access it no matter the support'

Yes. A lot of teaching is shit. Why blame it on the child though?

Ha ha!

A lot of teaching is bloody excellent, patient, inventive, accommodating, caring and still students may not be capable of achieving more than a level 2

Complete fucker isn't it?

Or maybe not because people aren't valuable for their academic achievements and success is personal

Very little SEN teaching is good in the UK.

I agree that a number of pupils may only be capable of getting a level 2 in their school career but most of those pupils simply won't.

And anyway, why can't you put a level 2 in a GCSE class?

Bound

A lot of teaching is bloody excellent, patient, inventive, accommodating, caring and still students may not be capable of achieving more than a level 2.

There is no way of proving or disproving your assertion regarding the capabilities of students. Attainment, yes, you can measure that but not capability or potential. You would have to know the future...

Well would you put an average 7 year old in a gcse class?

Starlight, that has given me some food for thought. DS' school is for children with mild to moderate learning difficulties or severe SN without them. There is another school which he goes to in the holidays and it has a ball-pit, soft-play and all sorts of sensory do-dahs.

He loves the coloured lights across the swimming pool and the trampolines but this is an out-of-school activity for him. I am starting to wonder how much of school time is spent using these resources with children such as my friend's child who is very bright but just becoming verbal, when his speech and reading skills should be being addressed.

Just have to say something here.

It may be an interesting debate and very much right that you champion the right of your kids to go to mainstream and achieve..

But do remember that the kids you are talking about getting a crappy education and never achieving anything are peoples children too.

Like mine.

I cross posted with you Anais, my post wasn't directed at you.

Just the turn this read has taken is not pleasant reading for me.

Anyway am off to bed.

My non-verbal toddler spends the majority of his education milling along with adults, watching the news, unpacking the washing machine, laying the table, tidying away, all at the level he can achieve. I haven't stuck him in a room full of 15month olds so he can learn faster.

And anyway, why can't you put a level 2 in a GCSE class?

Really?

Because you don't set up children to fail

Night Fanjo

I think you just have to chose the best school you can for your child Fanjo. I understand why people chose Specialist Schools.

My dream of inclusion would mean Mainstream schools would have to look very different to how they do now.

I hope I haven't offended with any of my comments, was not my intention.

'And anyway, why can't you put a level 2 in a GCSE class?
Really?
Because you don't set up children to fail'

So many issues with this. Why is it assumed they'd fail? How do you measure failure? Why do you measure it that way?

And significantly, why would you allow a teacher/school to run a class that failed some of their children?

No I don't think your comments were offensive bramble

I haven't read this whole thread. But to the OP: I spent quite a lot of the morning being kicked, hit and pinched.

Mainstream primary. Year 3 child.

Now counting the bruises.

Spinkle What is being done to address this issue?

Not very much. His mother eventually turned up to take him home.

Happens more or less daily.

Often the mothers of these kids just don't answer their phones when they click the school number.

Not very much. His mother eventually turned up to take him home.

Happens more or less daily.

Often the mothers of these kids just don't answer their phones when they clock the school number.

i have missed parts, so forgive me if things have moved on - but my sad and surprising impression from SN children's parents here has been, whatever the problem, "put up or shut up".

telling non-SN parents to effectively suck it up, is tremendously arrogant in a school setting. i am truly broadly really sympathetic but i can't undetstand why SN parents would respond this way. not everyone is against you! and non/SN parents legitimate concerns should not be do summarily dismissed!