Why do you think behaviour in schools is so much worse than even 10 yrs ago.

[soul2000]

This is not a joke thread. I am generally interested as to how much the standard of behaviour has deteriated in the last 25 years since i left school.

What amazes me, is that teachers are not shocked when watching programes like educating yorkshire, that just shows how bad the behaviour of some pupils is.

Another shocking thing is that pupils who in my time would have been labeled a menace "ME INCLUDED" are now seen as upstanding pupils.

How has the standard fallen so far and what can be done to re address the balance.

This thread is in support of teachers.

I specified in my post

The thing is I think that a lot of negative behaviours can be avoided, if the learning environment is right. At lot of what makes the environment right and inclusive for many SNs requires only reasonable adjustments.

Get it wrong and yes there can be, sometimes quite serious, negative consequences.

Most mainstream secondary schools are pretty much geared to getting kids through their GCSE's with the highest possible grades. What advantage is there for a child with severe learning difficulties in addition to severe social disabilities, in being accommodated in this environment?

Because severe learning difficulties and severe social difficulties can also be teamed with academic brilliance, all in one person.

And the difficulties do not always present, if managed correctly.

IsabelleRinging

for Game of Thrones fans, "You know nothing, Jon Snow.

An exploration of Epistemic Humility is required I think...

Sorry, but I am struggling to understand how you expect a child with severe learning disabilities, such as those of a severely autistic child, to be able to access the GCSE curriculum successfully alongside their peers. If they were able to attain a level of academic achievement to GCSE level then they don't have the the severe learning disabilities I am imagining.

I was discussing with a colleague who teaches at a local SN school and she said the average child in their school only reaches about level 2 of the national curriculum. hat is a severe learning disability, how would they cope in a GCSE class? Even if those children were to attend a mainstream school they would need to be taught differently and most likely separately.

Ahh utopia

Not that we have an overworked, league table driven state education system where every student affects numbers, oh no.

Oh and there is a world of difference between high functioning and severely disabled.

Interestingly I am extremely supportive and pro students with special needs within mainstream education - however some children don't thrive and there is not enough scope to move to specialist centres of education without a fight

IsabelleRinging You need to do some reading...

Actually I do appreciate it is difficult, but the problem is one of definitions. 'Severe', as a descriptor, is meaningless when learning difficulty is hardly ever quantified adequately. The closest quantifiable element is funding or hours of support provided. A lot of LAs have, quite woolly, Needs Matrices. There seems to be reluctance in the education system to quantify need.

This I feel is a problem, as it hinders communication a) as to how severe a difficulty is, and b) How a student has progressed with regards to their difficulties.

poltergoose, If your child is extordinarily academic, then with the right support and adaptions he would be able to access the curriculum.

Bramble. Well said. In a earlier post what i said was misunderstood and
i was attacked. I am in total saupport of pupils with different or other needs.

I have in another thread told how a brilliant friend of mine who undoubtably had Special needs at school left school without any qualifications, now she is a chemistry teacher with a masters degree.

I have also referenced Morry 1000 who is another poster who has a DD
that is very bright but suffers from among other things ADHD. She is now finally settling down. The school have allowed her to redo yr11 because if she is helped she is capable of achieving As at A Level with her IQ of 137.

So i want all the support to be available to those that need the extra help.

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So the desire to avoid accountability, concerning the quantification of provision, has resulted in teaching staff not knowing enough about what impact having Severe Learning Difficulties may have....

Figures.

My Aspie was explosive without reasonable accommodations within MS school. Nothing pricey or labour-intensive, just essential adaptations to enable him to learn. And a proactive attitude to him being baited by NT students.
So far he has 10 GCSEs at C and above, three A levels and his ASDAN level 2. Thanks to an excellent attitude from his secondary school and college, there is nothing to stop him heading to university and on.

zzzzz you know that is not what I am saying!

What are you saying?

All children should be in school

Not all children should be in mainstream

All children deserve a well rounded education that fits them to cope in the world as adults independently

For some children unfortunately that may never be the case but don't you think that all should be provided with an access to education and be taught skills that foster their independence and not just to pass examinations

*apologies to home educators - school is not the only environment where appropriate education takes place, just the subject of this thread

OK, please tell me then, how would you accomodate a child, like those my friend teaches who have severe learning disabilities, and are working at around the average level of achievemnt of a 7 year old, and have autism and communication difficulties and can be aggressive, into GCSE level lessons successfully, and with an outcome for that child which is better than any he could get in a special school.

I can see how a child like this can be taught within a mainstream secondary school if specialist teachers and separate classes are available but really struggling otherwise.

All children deserve to go to school, doesn't mean they all have to be taught together surely? Even NT kids are streamed!