To think teachers are actually better off than those in the private sector

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Please may I rephrase the debate in a more measured way)

coco asked for a debate and has failed to debate anything

I've always been a bit by this bitterness towards contributing towards the public sector & pensions. I'm sure it's just an idea someone's read in the paper and it's just run and run.

Surely public sector workers are providing a public service, of which the public makes use, in return for their taxes, which goes towards paying for the public sector workers.

Are people saying they don't want to pay for public services?

Of all the things that taxpayers' money is spent on, I'd have thought there were worthier targets of protest than public sector workers' pay & pensions.

I don't care purpleygirl. It's still uncalled for.

How did you learn to be a cow vet? x

Purplegirly just been googling it too. Average starting salary is £21k plus perks which includes paid for housing and all bills which takes it up to £30k. You can expect that £21 to increase to £60k in 5 years plus perks again. We have a situation where teachers can't afford housing in certain areas so needed government help ie the key worker scheme and they are being criticised by someone in a profession that provides housing.

My students are quite keen to discuss the strike.

Year 11 especially so, after Gove's latest stunt. It would be fair to say they are even more unhappy about it than I am.

mirry, if you look at what the OP has said, they have been very inflammatory and, while sneering at teachers, come over as a bit of a dim bulb; starting a thread to provoke debate, then not engaging in it.

And posting on AIBU.

if you say to think teachers are whiney hypocites out of touch with reality then want a serious debate.

its probably not going to happen. today.

I agree this thread has got a rather bullying tone too,not nice.

Nobody is bitter re contributing to public sect pay but I think many don't like the sense of entitlement from teachers at the moment.

I wish they'd be honest too.

At the end of the day this is about them,kind of getting sick of the it's all for the children bollocks.

Retro - did you read the last thread from the op on this very subject before it got deleted?

This is just how teachers talk though isn't it, down to you and sarcastic.

I don't agree with the OP. But these threads are the kind of things some people say as their honest views. The reaction to her seems a bit of a pile on.

And, no doubt the decrepitude of 67 year olds. Are you aware of the changing demographics of this country? We are an ageing but healthier and fitter population that previous generations and to encourage young people to believe that the older generation have no place in teaching is plain wrong.

The arrogance really gets my goat,same arrogance in my dc's far less than perfect school.

I agree with you mirry, though it won't be too long before the complaints about oldie staff blocking promotions for the whippersnappers come rolling in. Expensive, too.

I think an older teacher is a good idea they might know what they are doing by then and don't need any teacher training days.

This is just how teachers talk though isn't it, down to you and sarcastic

Great generalisation there.

OP, perhaps you should remember why you can read this thread and write replies; why you have your well paid job - oh yes, that would be because of teachers.

Teacher training days are mandatory for continuing professional development.

You again, sonlypuppyfat? How many times do you need to be told that the training days were forced on teachers?

They. Were. Taken. Out. Of. The. Teachers'. Holidays.

They did not ask for the training days.

Oh for goodness sake I was a teacher,my sister works in the charity sector,I have friends in all sorts of sectors.They all go that extra mile,change with the times and increase of expectations,frozen pay etc,etc.

Teachers don't have the monopoly.

I don't mind people saying the jobs well paid etc etc. what gets my goat is people going on and on about us being unskilled, underworked, lazy... And now arrogant! Find someone else to educate your children then. I'm no different to anyone else in work. We all work hard in any profession, I wouldn't start telling anyone else that they aren't entitled to their wages.
I am in 36,000 of student loan debt but not entitled to 22,000 a year? The mind boggles