Would you leave your baby unattended in their buggy

[noblegiraffe]

...while you use the loo?

On another thread I mentioned not being able to get a buggy into a small cubicle and the suggestion was to leave baby outside.

Would I be overly precious in thinking 'No, I wouldn't do that'?

I also made posts about my DD btw which no one seems to mention.

Am off this thread.

Hopefully all decent people see the few entitled people for what they are.

And thanks for objecting to the shocking comment made to me curlew, you were a lone voice, means a lot, and your posts have been spot on

Yy it's a thread about a thread, but the issue of disabled toilets was brought up early on when people mentioned "nipping in" because they were struggling with big buggies/wriggly children/heavy bags and not necessarily for risk prevention. Also the issue was very much about disabled toilets and not ones merged with changing facilities. The "but they have merged facilities" appeared later to help people justify using the loos, iirc.

Yes, I agree this might be a thread about a thread. But there are two separate concerns here that people are cleaving together - parents being concerned for their child, and using a disabled toilet. Whether you think it's precious for someone to be concerned about their child or not, thats up to you. YES, if their actinos then directly affect other people, then I can completely understand why you'd be pissed off at that. But I literally cannot see why a parent being concerned for her child warrants ridicule, JUST for loving and wanting to protect her child. Remove the disabled toilet issue from this (which was never mentioned in the OP) and just accept that everybody assess risk differently. Dont you concede that paretns all look after their children differently, and that they are entitled to do so. There are very few absolute rights and wrongs with parenting. I just find it incredible that people feel they are able to judge how a mother assesses risk for their child, even if they do think they are being overly cautious.

Not aimed at you Hop! Just read it back and it might seem that way (again, sorry). Am blaming typing fast while on phone

Fanjo I'm interested in what your perception of my priorities are?

Reading the entire thread is indeed pointless. Us disabled posters are just as invisible here as we are in real life.

Still can't believe this is still raging!!!

Same people throwing accusations and name calling-then crying in to there hankies when not agreed with!

If you can give it, be prepared to take it!

I'm off out in the sun instead of obsessing where people take a shit!

Sorry Fanjo, was just using DD's posts as examples as written directly from her daughter's perspective.

How you judge risk is up to you. Pointing out that people are worried about a thing that has never actually happened is not ridicule. It's just that, pointing out that this thing people are SO worried about has never actually happened. Ever. And then pointing out logically all the reasons why is has never happened, and why it is actually not a particularly risky thing to do. AND THEN saying that that is why (combined with the obvious fact that these facilities are not designed for you) you shouldn't feel the need to use the accessible toilet. This is not ridicule.

Drop, well tough, cos I am off this thread.

Acer, what a reasoned, insightful and sensitive post, the thread will be poorer for the loss of your insight

Hop..yes, fair enough. My DD can't speak so not sure of her perspective. But she was screaming, poor wee thing.

Anyway, have a nice day all :)

It's not obsessing about who shits where, acer. It's that if someone who doesn't need to shit in the disable loo does so whilst I am outside it with my wheelchair user OH, he will be sat in his.

But the others are right. It'll never hit home for some people unless it actually happens to them

Disabled toilets where introduced to give disabled people access to the community, many after having decades of confinement behind four walls. There are still disabled members of all communities who rarely see the community other then their room. So while I will not judge someone's worries about leaving a pushchair maybe they should view their alternatives, maybe never leaving their four walls. Whilst disabled people have expressed their views on this thread there are many more who cannot verbalise their needs.

WestieMamma Thu 22-Aug-13 10:50:06
Reading the entire thread is indeed pointless. Us disabled posters are just as invisible here as we are in real life.

Really? Really?? Disabled posters are far from invisible on this thread. Doesn't mean everyone has to agree. Metaphorically patting you on the head and saying 'yes, love', before hopping back into the accessible toilet would be worse, surely.

It's true and I've mentioned before that there are some insightful and well constructed posts on here, which will have altered the way some people think about the facilities. But mostly... hmm.

The irony in so many of these posts is brilliant, anyway. The thread is fascinating in a car crash kind of way

I am possibly being very cynical but I think that maybe the combined use of disabled toilets as baby change/family toilet facilities and the perceived need for such facilities by many modern parents could have actually made businesses fit more toilets which disabled people(along with families with young children) can access.

At my local IKEA they have a disabled toilet with also has tge sign for baby change and a picture of a family every 10 feet overexageration but there are lots and lots of them all over tge shop inside the cubicle is a potty and a highchair to sit a small child in so tge parent can wee without their small child licking the floor or emptying the tampon bin.

I would love to think that IKEA were so conscience that they want to make shopping trips as easy as possible for their disabled customers but my cynical side thinks they have so many easy accessible toilets for the same reason they have a free creche and dirt cheap kids meals and a loyalty card called a family card; to attract young families who are very likely to be need new furniture.

How would disabled people feel if there was a disabled toilet at the entrance that they rightly so had exclusive use of and then family toilets and baby change rooms every few meters that they had no right to use because they are not a baby or a family in the same way a parent with a pushchair is not disabled.

it takes a certain kind of insensitive person to view people affected by disablities getting upset as "fascinating in a car crash kind of way"

Kudos to you for your empathy

Not sure that's the car crash bit, Fanjo, possibly the bit where people try to get others to change their ways by slagging them off and wishing a disability on them (or did I imagine that?).

DD's DD managed to change minds without any name calling.

i didnt do that actually.

Most I said was that people were being selfish and entitled. Which they were.

and I possibly got annoyed at disgusting comments levelled at ME.

like I was happy to see people's children murdered.

WTAF

anyway i was away from thread, will go back to letting people post all sorts of nasty shit

I agree Froken these businesses are accountable for taking away what little access there is for disabled people. There should a family toilet and a disabled toilet, not the 2 merged together.

I think that a disabled person would probably be able to access a toilet faster by waiting for one of the many shared facilities than if the company had just one disabled toilet that would take time to travel to.

I would suggest that maybe there are more people using easy access loos now but also more easy access loos so it probably all evens out.

one last thing though..of course people weren't "wishing a disability on you". They were saying they didn't think you lot would ever understand unless you were in same position one day.

Which I think is true.

Fanjo, so I'm hoping the selfish fuckers around here get a big dose of karma and gain some insight into why their actions do severely restrict the lives of disabled people. isn't wishing a disability on someone?

By the way, who do you mean by 'you lot?' I don't routinely use disabled toilets. I did once, when I was ill, but (reasonable) people said that was understandable. My OP wasn't about disabled toilets it was about leaving your baby unattended, which most people don't. Leaving the door open isnt unattended! The end cubicle with the buggy pushed in thing is a good tip, and one which I may use in the future should the need arise. DS is 4 and it hasn't really come up before so clearly the toilets around my way are pretty good for access.

i am not doing this any more :)

i am not doing this any more :)