Would you leave your baby unattended in their buggy

[noblegiraffe]

...while you use the loo?

On another thread I mentioned not being able to get a buggy into a small cubicle and the suggestion was to leave baby outside.

Would I be overly precious in thinking 'No, I wouldn't do that'?

It really is teacher

There are loads of really interesting scientific studies that show us we base decisions on really flawed logic. It's actually human nature!

Have only read OP (came over after reading the other thread). Yes I would. Most toilets have a door into the toilet and handwashing area and then further cubicles. Assuming I could fit the pushchair through the first door I would enter, and then either use a cubicle, possibly without locking the door but shutting slightly (would try to be able to see buggy if not baby if at all possible) or, if lots of people were going in and out, I would choose someone, make plenty of eye contact, clock what they are wearing, and ask them to watch my baby, and then use the cubicle.

If there wasn't the first door, or I couldn't fit the buggy through, I would be a bit more discerning about who I asked (lady with children being my first choice) or go somewhere else.

Why is using disabled loo with buggy any different to parking buggy in wheelchair space on bus?

I would hope that someone who needed the facility due to disability would have priority but if they don't then it may as well be put to use to make a parent's life easier.

Because you can see instantly if someone needs the wheelchair space and you can then move the buggy. If you are in the toilet, how do you know someone hasn't come along and needs to use it while you are in there?

Oh, and there are a disturbing number of people who would refuse to move their buggy out of the wheelchair space on a bus, because 'fuck your inability to get anywhere without this one space, I was here first with my special snowflake'.

How can "you always make way for someone who needed the toilet" if you are already in the disabled toilet that they need to use because they have a disabilty or medical condition?

People using these facilities when they don't have a medical condition or disability are causing those with disabilities and medical conditions problems and issues!

If you're going to be in and out of the toilet quickly you won't keep a disabled person waiting long.

If you're on a bus you've got to faff around removing child from buggy whilst folding it, stopping older sibling from playing with shopping etc so while it may be immediately obvious that a wheelchair user needs the space it takes a little time to make it available for them.

I wouldn't unless I could take her in with me, I usually go when I change her nappy as they tend to be in the disabled loos.

There is a difference between waiting to get on a bus and waiting to use the toilet.

Surely being able to see through disabled toilet doors or sense people with disabilities is an ability not a disability?

So what if the baby changing unit happens to be in the disabled loo? Should parents use their esp to tell when a disabled person is coming and vacate immediately with poo covered bare bummed baby?

I think it's pretty sad that the people on this thread with disabilities/family member with disabilities are pretty unanimous in their experiences that able parents using the disabled toilet causes them problems, but nobody is listening :(

Why is using disabled loo with buggy any different to parking buggy in wheelchair space on bus?

ISWYM but on a bus you can see if a wheelchair user is going to come on and need the space.

In the time it takes you to pee & change a nappy, a disabled person needing the loo may well have waited as long as they can and has had to go and find somewhere else to use the toilet. Of course, that's if the disabled person is mobile enough to do so.

If it were my OH who was caught out, he would just end up soiling himself. Since being in a wheelchair my OH has found it very hard to distinguish needing to go with back pain and this often leads to dashes for the toilet.

On a separate note, I think the constant referral of things like the wheelchair spaces on buses as buggy spaces is counter productive, and I agree changing facilities should never have been merged with disabled facilities. I think it ends up with some people considering themselves the actual high priority users, rather than a by-product.

Using the baby changing if it;s the only one available, is the fault of wherever the toilet is though. They shouldn't put the changing table in there. Going into the toilet just so you can use it because you don't want to leave your pushchair outside a normal cubicle is the issue.

k8 I'm not sure how the fact that the child was not unattended and the person who took her wanted to kill her rather than abduct her is supposed to be a comfort to those reluctant to have their baby out of sight while they have their knickers around their ankles

Should parents use their esp to tell when a disabled person is coming and vacate immediately with poo covered bare bummed baby?

That would be very considerate, thank you Perhaps we can swap "esp" with "hearing someone call out 'are you alright? do you think you will be much longer'" though. But ofc, maybe my OH & I would take it upon us to nick your changing bag so it's not really solved the original issue

Wow people that realise its only a small risk take that small risk! Not for me I'm afraid ! Wonder if Kate Mccaan feels the same or Denise bugler feels the same....

And to the person who said strangers don't abduct ? Was you joking?

Leaving your child in a buggy a foot away from you, possibly even with the door open an couple of inches so you can see it v's leaving your child asleep, in a different building. Obviously completely the same level of risk.

I know Westie it's sad isn't it?

Life is frigging hard when you are disabled. You can not begin to imagine just how hard when you are able bodied, that is why some of us are trying to tell you on this thread. But it's like trying to get through to a brick wall!

Can I also ask... there are still plenty of women who unreasonably don't like seeing women BF in public, even when done discreetly. For people who go to the toilet with the door open, do you ever come across this kind of attitude of disgust that you are peeing in public view?

re "perception of risk":

You are talking about probability - i.e. odds of something happening to the baby while she is out of your sight & reach. Admittedly very low.

Risk is something else - i.e. probability x consequence. Although the probability of something adverse happening is very low, the consequence of something happening to your baby is very high so depending on your personal risk assessment, risk = probability x consequence might easily be unacceptable.

As with any risk, if there is a way to avoid taking it, you just won't take it. This sets leaving your baby unattended apart from things like crossing the street or driving a car, because you cannot avoid those but you can easily avoid leaving your baby alone during the 18 months or so that they will be unable to stand up on their own.

Also where nappy changing stations are inside disabled toilets, it is fairly clear that those toilets are not meant for the exclusive use of disabled people. So this is not a debate you are likely to win imho.

Surely there's a higher risk of catching something deadly from the germs in a public toilet than there is of your baby being snatched?

Cannot believe there are so many posts on this, and so much hysteria!

Each to their own, but I have peed many times in a cubicle with the door shut and my little darling happily in her pram outside.

Would I take her out and put her on my knee while peeing?? No frigging way - it's pretty unhygienic and I'd be far more scared I'd topple her onto the hard, tiled floor than I would consider her at risk of abduction .

Would I leave a toddler outside? No, probably not. But probably because a toddler is more likely to run off.