Would you leave your baby unattended in their buggy

[noblegiraffe]

...while you use the loo?

On another thread I mentioned not being able to get a buggy into a small cubicle and the suggestion was to leave baby outside.

Would I be overly precious in thinking 'No, I wouldn't do that'?

The fact that I would not feel guilty about having quick we in a disabled loo rather than leave my children outside a public toilet - which happens once in a blue moon - does not mean I wish to inflict pain or embarrassment on anyone's daughter.

Sorry means just that.

I've never noticed a baby change facility combined with a disabled loo.

I have no idea what the likelihood of my child being snatched was when she was small enough to be in a buggy. But I never left her outside because she's a bit clingy and would have been genuinely howlingly vomitingly upset. And then I'd have had to deal with the vom and howling for hours later. But as I have two arms and am able bodied I left the buggy outside and took the child in with me. Not really that hard and never needed a disabled loo to achieve... She just sat on my knee or the floor. It was fine.

My eldest son is fourteen, when he was a baby there weren't many baby changes, boots and mother are had them. Disabled toilets did not have the changing table in there, this is a relatively new thing, crap idea by planners.

Many toilets did not have a baby change, they obviously realized they were needed and for some reason put them into the disabled toilets.

I always went to boots or john lewis is m&s when my elder two were little as they had basby change facilities, or I changed them in the pushchair if no change was available. The disabled toilets were not an option, by the time I had ds3/ds4 there were more and they were in disabled toilets. I don't use them unless totally unavoidable is nappy explosion and it's the only change station. I am able to find and use an alternative, so I do.

Needing to see my baby whilst I pee is not a good enough reason to use a disabled toilet.

Emily, the point is that the thread was started because someone said that they would leave a baby outside a toilet in which they were going to the toilet themselves.

That was construed as 'unattended'

I was pointing out that it is not, indeed, truly unattended, and you have confirmed that. So the hysteria was in fact that which turned 'I leave my baby for 30 seconds outside a toilet cubicle, from which i can hear the baby and see the buggy, when i go to the toilet' into 'I leave my baby unattended'

Littlebear, where baby change was provided - not universal - it was usually a mat next to the sinks in the ladies. I carried a portable changing mat wherever I went.

As much as you have the right to hold that view, Always, others have the right to consider it repellent and selfish.

Y'know... Those of us who routinely have to tolerate selfish bastards making our lives unnecessarily difficult and/or cause a loss of dignity in their actions.

Good grief - yes of course I would, with the door open a tiny bit.

I've never noticed a baby change facility combined with a disabled loo.

Seriously permanentlyexhausted - it's really not uncommon, particularly in restaurants or pubs. Smaller shopping centres too.

So what about my previous example teachers?

My df using disabled toilets for the dc with no baby change facility in them - but just because the disabled toilet floor is preferable to the gents toilet floor for changing them on? (plus more space etc)

'Allowed' and acceptable or not?

Wow who invented the toilet police?!?!?
Unless I need an official permit to use a disabled toilet I'm going to use it. Nope I wouldn't leave my child unattended. Ever. Not because I think some sex offender is gonna run off with her, just because I don't want to.

I'm not one of these brave mummy's that think my child will never ever come to harm and that bad people don't exist . I would never let dd be that tiny % that do.

Always, you may not INTEND that to be the result - but regardless of your intention, that is exactly what you cause.

Sorry. Having intrusive memories of the Science Museum in London where we had people push in so many times for the lifts when they could have used the stairs that DS2 shit himself.

They were actually running and shoving us out of the way with their hands...

So the flip down changing stations didn't exist? And if there wasn't space you changed them on the floor?

Gangster, is there genuinely nowhere else to place a changing mat - in the pushchair, somewhere else nearby (close enough for him to be able to nip back for some hand washing, though wipes are fine too)?

teacherI pointed out to noble that she could leave her baby strapped in the pushchair outside the cubicle whilst she went to the toilet, or she could ask someone in the bathroom to watch her baby (I have don't this for lots of people who have asked me i suspect they think as a mum with young children its unlikely I would pinch a another one ). So I assume that is why this thread was started. I provided a reasonable solution, one that doesn't involve using a disabled toilet and inconveniencing people.

Never.

MrsDeVere, you might not have been, but I certainly was. I'm not making up the hospital or the doctor's surgery thing. Or the trolley thing. So you can dispute it if you like, but I'm not lying.

There are several disabled toilets in my town that have no baby change facilities in them. The baby change is in the ladies in these areas. So not 'hypothetical', a genuine situation. Df has and does use the disabled toilet floor.

I have to hide this thread now.
I feel so sad at the sweeping generalisations made.
The changing facilities usually are in an accessible loo. Just because I don't leave that loo and then queue for another cubicle after changing my baby does not mean I am causing pain to disabled ppl.

And plenty of public loos have full solid doors so a baby can't be seen.I'm sorry that some ppl have a really rough time of it but I'm not going to stop caring about my PFB or PSB for fear of being accused of being precious and thoughtless or jealous of a toilet.

The worst place I've come across is our local IKEA. The disabled toilet, which has baby change facilities in it, is spitting distance from the cafe. The regular toilets, which also have baby change facilities and some cubicles big enough for prams, are down a corridor about 30 seconds away. I have never been able to use the disabled toilet without queuing behind parents who can't be arsed to walk the extra distance. They have a choice, I don't

Teacher I think I must live in the same location as you, I can't think of any public toilets where the changing table is in the disabled toilets. A certain chain of pubs has but can't think of another. One set of toilets has a changing room with about 4 changing units in it, separate breast feeding room, special small toilets for young children in the main toilets but no cubicle or room big enough to take a pram into.

Acer, what do you do with your child while you go to the toilet at home? Do you take them with you? Or are they unattended? Do you sleep with them? Never take your eyes off them when chatting to a friend?

This 'I never leave my child unattended' is just...silly.