Would you leave your baby unattended in their buggy

[noblegiraffe]

...while you use the loo?

On another thread I mentioned not being able to get a buggy into a small cubicle and the suggestion was to leave baby outside.

Would I be overly precious in thinking 'No, I wouldn't do that'?

Seconding the posts of MrsDeVere and Dawndonnaagain.

Please do not use the disabled toilets unless you are disabled.

Of course if you are doubly incontinent after giving birth you are entitled to use the disabled loos, not every disabled person is handed a blue badge upon diagnosis/accident/injury, nor is every disability permanent.

It's not okay just because there is no one waiting when you leave the disabled cubicle, either.

I like to blame media induced sensationalisation & hysteria, MrsD.

My df often uses a disabled toilet with the dc.

He has gone in there when out on his own with the dc, to change a nappy. Because it's larger (nigh on impossible in many gents toilets) - but also because it's probably cleaner to lie them on the floor there than in the mens next to the urinals. There is NEVER a baby change facility in the gents, and often the baby change is in the women's and not the disabled. Technically he shouldn't be in the disabled loos.

Is this 'allowed' according to those that have opposed any dc use in disabled toilets. Or...

I know, Wallison. Good init?
Having three disabled kids, who are liable to have an uncontrollable meltdown if anyone dares to use a hand dryer in proximity to them, makes days out really fun.

Especially if you're standing there waiting for a mummy with buggy to come out of the loo. For no other reason than they didn't want to leave the buggy outside.

Don't get me started on the dickheads that jump in front of the two wheelchairs as we go to put them in the lift and then stare at us aggressively. Especially when they could have taken the escalator, we have no choice but to wait...

Seriously. The actions of a few entitled bastards really do make some days out miserable. Perhaps I should keep my defectives at home and stop bothering people?

Having a baby is not the same as having a disability. Or a child with a disability.

There are some complete arseholes out there.

erm no he is using the baby changing facility see - which is for changing babies - he has a baby ...he is changing it

So the upshot is that if disabled loos are also baby changes (which is often the case) it's ok to change a baby in them but not have a wee yourself. (Sorry I do do this if my crap pelvic floor muscles are letting me down).

Buggies can be left outside and doors left open if wanted. I also do this and can't be arsed to wait for the end cubicle (see pelvic floor above)

DCs can be taken into cubicles on laps or standing as appropriate if need be. (Do this and then shriek at dd not to touch anything especially the bin full of loo paper - love Greek plumbing)

Is this right?

Er...no gordy...I am referring to just a disabled toilet.

They do not all have baby change facilities...sometimes the only baby change is in the lady's.

Oh, and as before. Baby change units should NOT be in disabled loos. There should also be widespread RADAR keys in operation to prevent abuse of the facilities.

I'm constantly encountering this. People want to use the disabled loo, the disabled parking space (locally its to use the cashpoint) and to use the wheelchair bay on the bs (even calling it the buggy space ffs).

They want to take all these 'perks', hell they want to take my carers allowance as I shouldn't be paid to look after my own children, but do they want to take the disability? No, they don't. The Daily Mail has already made Merlin restrict the exit pass scheme so you pay full entrance fee but only get 10 rides....

Does anyone have the first bloody clue what ^ that lot is like to live with? Fucking horrendous!

This Is My Child doesn't so much as scratch the surface. It's a fart in a colander, really.

Agree totally about more use of RADAR keys to prevent abuse, Gobby.

It is shite what you have to put up with.

From the minute your baby is born, MrsDeVere, you are told not to leave your baby unattended. At the hospital we had to push them around in their little tubs, take them with us to breakfast etc, on pain of being told off by a midwife.
When I signed up baby with the doctor, again, signs everywhere saying DO NOT LEAVE YOUR BABY UNATTENDED.
I took baby to the supermarket today. The trolley had a sign on it with a mum turning her back on her baby with a big cross through it.

Not really a surprise that mums are reluctant to leave their baby out of sight in a public place then, really.

I think so littlebear

Hmm - unless toilets are of a totally different design where you luve, our public toilets had doors with great big gaps at the top and bottom. In many, frankly, you can stick a foot out and put it under a pushchair wheel while using the toilet. Or you can leave the door slightly ajar, with the pushchair across it. Or even the door fully open and the buggy facing into it to cover you.

Or you can use a sling, hold your baby, or once they can stand you just bring them in with you and stand them up next to you.

For a 30 second use of the toilet, it is not exactly leaving a baby unattended - no more so than simply turning round to get an item oiff a high or low shelf in the supermarket, or spending a couple of minutes turned slightly away from your buggy while talking to a friend.

If the baby change is in the disabled toilets, then obviously I use it to change the baby. If I need a wee, then yes, I will take up the extra 20 seconds needed to do that too - rather than go out, queue in the ladies and then enter the whole 'what do I do with the baby' debacle.

People seriously have a problem with this? A quick wee? When you're in there anyway, using the facilities as intended?

I think that's crazy. I do it. I'm not going to patronise anyone by adding 'sorry' to that statement because i'm not. Anyone who seriously opposes that is bvu IMO

You were fine to leave baby in its 'fish tank' bed at my hospital, the babies have tags,they have just started electronic tagging I think but you have to be buzzed on and off the ward.

I have used numerous drs surgeries and none if them have had those signs.

The trolley sign is about not leaving your baby unattended in the trolley in case it tips over/they fall out. Not because someone may steal your baby.

If you don't want to leave your baby unattended, tho its hardly alone as you are inches away asnd can have the door a little bit open if you want. Then fine don't but do not use disabled toilets, find some other way to go about your business that doesn't inconvenience those with disabilities.

I've been screamed at or just told off many times by people for using a disabled loo weirdly it only happens when I'm with one of my kids,

I don't think any body has a right to demand to know my disability or the kids so I tend to tell them to fuck off or if feeling charitable I say "not all disabilities are visible"

I have a BB as do 5 of my kids. Its perfectly ok for me to use the loo just as it is for one of my disabled children, its also ok for me to use it if it is also a baby changing area and I'm changing a baby.

I also wouldn't even look twice at someone else coming out of the loo because I would be horrified to do the same to someone else because its embarrassing and I'm not clever enough to identify every disability in every disabled person from a quick glance.

I wouldn't know if that mother coming out of the loo chasing a small child was disabled or not.

And did I live in the only part of the country where there simply weren't any disabled toilets except those locked with a RADAR key, so the option that so many of you seem to think that you HAVE to use to keep your baby safe wasn't available? And guess what, we managed.... the incidence of baby snatching from the toilets was still, um, zero (baby snatching in hospital ISN'T non-zero, for reasons to do with the mental condition (temporary or permanent) of some of those in hospital, and the babies in hospital immediately following birth are very tiny and very fragile, so leaving them unattended is indeed unwise.)

Think I have done this but wedged the door open with the buggy so I had one eye on DS/DD

So all baby changes were independent of disabled loos teacher. Honestly curious

GobbySadCase, I think there are some people who just can't stand to see what they perceive as others getting preferential treatment. Despite the fact that it's not preferential but necessary adjustments and provisions in order for them to do things (like go food shopping) that everyone else takes for granted. And also despite the fact that what it amounts to isn't anything particularly exciting anyway. I mean, really, you're getting all jealous about a frigging toilet? Or a parking space?

That's good for you, 5mad, but I assure you it's not the case at my hospital and my doctors surgery.

Obviously the trolley sign isn't about baby stealing but this is about why mums are cautious about leaving babies unattended.

Well that wouldn't be unattended then would it? teacherwith2kids

If you can actually see and touch the buggy.

So it wouldn't be a problem.

This is not a thread where posters have been invited to bitch about "pweshus" mummies. It just asked if ppl were willing to leave their child unattended.
Now anyone who isn't comfortable with that is accused of hysterical mollycoddling and any number of hateful actions against pplwith disabilities.

you are told not to leave your baby unattended

So you are with your baby 24 hours a day. If you are cooking, cleaning or having a nap.

I would say there are plenty of times a day a baby is left unattended.

Ganstas, I think the position of disabled toilets also designated for nappy changing is anomalous (one of the many reasons why the combination isn't ideal and we should campaign for proper family loos)

If you are taking a child in to change their nappy, then you are using them as intended (though with awareness still needed in terms of timing etc of the needs of other users, who may well be higher priority than you). If you add 20 seconds for your own wee, that's kind of between you and your own conscience.

If your child doesn't need a nappy change, even if you are with them, and you need the toilet, then you can't use a disabled / nappy change combo.