To want to leave this website for making me think about that one.

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It's really really upset me, I've had some great support on this forum but I think I have to be off.

Such a shame.

Why do you think I am using emotive language Amrapaali? Would you not be pissed off if people were saying your DH was more likely to be a rapist just because of his job?

Mme you are contradicting yourself, you are one minute saying 'yes it happens just like it happens on the streets of Britain' and then the next minute refusing to acknowlege any of it happens unless you see some 'statistics'

I can't give you any statistics, i can suggest you go outside of the country and find out exactly how people view our forces though, i can suggest you check out the website i sent you too, i can suggest you find your own information.

But no, funnily enough there aren't any statistic that the MOD create about how many of their soldier brutalise women. If that means in your mind it doesnt exist and it didnt happen then well done you. It does exist and it DOES happen however.

how do we change it?

Change the culture of the army, change the arrogance of saying we will go abroad and 'fix' other countries, we couldnt even fix Northern Ireland FFS let alone fucking Afghanistan. Make it public knowledge how many civilians are killed in our little escapades, change the training regime of the armed forces.

there are lots of ways to change things, fundamentally we should make it illegal to sell guns and bombs to fuckers and stop blowing stuff up. That would be a really good start.

Littlemiss was responding to the OP's statements, I think.

I do think there is a difference because the first statement is more academic, while the second brings it to a personal level.

Oh and stop barstardising the word 'hero' that would help too. I'm sick of it being bandied around so our young think the way to be a 'hero' is to join an army.

I am not refusing to admit that it happens. I am saying that if you make statements such as 'there are more rapists and murderers in the forces than in the general population' that you should be willing to prove that statement is true.

I actually agree with you about the intervention of troops in other countries, and that most of the time it winds up as a bigger fucking mess than it was when we went in.

Why did we go into Afghanistan but we stand back when Syria is imploding? Why did we not intervene in Kosovo when we knew that there was ethnic cleansing going on?

filee No one is saying it 'doesn't happen'

Personally, my objection is that you say it's more likely. Then you say the MOD don't release stats. So you can't know that.

It's debatable what 'fixed' Northern Ireland... but no one can deny things are better there now than they were 20 years ago.

Afghanistan and Iraq - we should have never gone there. And DH would agree with you/me on that.

Sorry but, if you were a misogynistic cunt would you not join the army? Its the fucking perfect place for them!

At that free reign to treat people like shite and get away with it.

Come on, wake up!

it's only the internet FFS

There are people actually confronting abuse of other human beings every day in all sorts of professions and trying to do their best to help - what some knuckleheads post on a forum most people have never even heard of is really down the list of priorities

filee firstly, it was the media, infact I think the Sun, that started using the word 'hero'. The Forces didn't use it, or bastardise it. It was nothing to do with them. I know the people in the immediate vicinity to me do not, and have never, classed themselves as heroes.

Secondly the Forces, not just the Army, go where they are told. The Government decide where to send them and what to do with them. You can not judge the Forces on what they are doing, where they are in the world extra, judge the government and the previous one, for where they sent them and what they did with them.

Thirdly, on the whole around the world it is our foreign policies and being the USA's puppet that other countries don't like, it is not necessarily a dislike of our Forces.

No filee you've just described yourself perfectly there!

No littlemiss i can and do 'blame' the people who go abroad and commit atrocities and take over towns and bomb people for doing those things.

Of course i have massive issues with how the government handle it but this 'just following orders' lark just does not wash with me.

with out an army you cannot fight a war, its time we taught people how to think not to blindly follow.

Where have i described myself perfectly? You are not making ANY sense.

As a matter of interest, Filee - what do you think the people serving in the Forces should do?

Quit?
Refuse to deploy - ever?

Should Britain have an Army/Air Force/Navy?

Genuine questions, BTW...

I think that the 2nd and the 1st world wars proved that when under threat, that we can summon an army and defend ourselves rather well, I honestly think that we should have a defence strategy, the means to defend ourselves if we need to. I think we should focus on improving human rights in countries (rather than destroying them with an iron fist) and only when we are asked rather than when we demand.

littlemisswise, I hope your dh comes back safe to you and your family.

So, just so I have this straight...

You'd advocate conscription in the event of a war? Even though that would mean your husband (probably) being called up and going to a war zone for months; after only a couple of weeks 'training'?

And the currently members of the Forces? What should they do?

current

littlemiss "I know you are narrow-minded" "I know you are talking shit" and the bit about feeling grateful when your DH's efforts saves us all from oblivion. That does sound like emotive language to me.

I think you may be buying into the Sun's agenda of heroes. Yes, your DH and his colleagues do a helluva lot more for peace-keeping than the average citizen. But thousands of doctors, carers, paramedics, firemen save lives everyday and I don't see any of them being put on a pedestal.

I know jack shit about the military. I believe you when you say the Forces are made up of mostly good people. By the same token, I am also inclined to believe filee when she says Army/Navy personnel see nothing out of the ordinary when confronted with violent attacks. Both of you have Forces family, after all.

(unless you are both saddo teenage boys surfing from your Dad's shed)

Thanks thebody.

I'm out. I've just advanced searched filee. I don't care if this is personal or not, but I really, really hope you do not become a social worker.

filee - most historians will tell you that the outbreak of the second world war proved how totally unprepared we were as a nation for war.

bye.