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To be so upset that a woman & her 2 children were given my (pre-booked online for an additional charge) plane seats?

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lalalady1971 · 10/08/2013 04:13

My DP and I flew to Cyprus last year on holidays. I'm a really nervous flyer but I get through it with mental preparation and don't want to let it stop me as we go away every year with my mum & dad, sister & husband and niece/nephew so it's a lovely get-together. (They live in different parts of the country so fly from different airports).

Part of my nerves-beating prep is pre-booking seats so I know exactly where we'll be sitting. I take a bit of time with this and look at the seats layout on the airline website, even down to the position of the window next to the seat so I'm definitely able to sit as calmly as possible without having to sit forward/twist my head backwards to see out (some seats have mainly plastic wall with the window further forward or back). This prob sounds very weird but part of it is extreme claustrophobia and being able to see outside/having a window really helps.

We paid a premium and pre-booked specific seats online, with extra legroom (my DP is 6ft 2) and a window seat with the window in the perfect position. All my mad requirements met so I felt ok! I also feel really self-conscious about my nervousness and sometimes retch a bit if I start feeling particularly anxious, so I like to be "cocooned" and safe in my window seat, hidden from others.

Soooo (sorry for such a long preamble!!), we get on the plane with our boarding passes and seat numbers (check-in acknowledged that we had booked our seats online already) only to find a woman and her 2 children (they looked about 8 & 10) sitting in our seats....with boarding cards with her original seat numbers scribbled out and our seats written on.

The stewardess approached and curtly asked what was the matter. I explained that there seemed to be some mistake as I'd pre-booked these seats. She went off to check and came back saying that someone had presumably gone through the seating plan at the gate and moved us as the woman had not pre-booked seats but needed to be seated with her children and the airline had to allow for that, so she had two new seat numbers for us.

I politely explained that I was a very nervous flyer and had specifically booked these seats (and paid extra for them!) so was there any way she could ask along the rows around if a different 3 people would mind moving as there were lots of gaps further down the plane but she said no, they'd updated the computer system at the gate so there was no way round it. (This made me feel even worse as I immediately thought, oh god it's so they know who's in which seat if the plane crashes and people die!!). At this point the woman in the seat stood up and said "Look, can't you see that I have children?! Obviously we need these seats more than you!", I was a bit taken-aback but said that I'd actually paid for these seats and if she was really that worried why didn't she pre-book seats so that they were guaranteed seats next to each other. She said she didn't need to, why on earth should she pay extra when she had children, the airline had to seat them together anyway. Followed by large amounts of smugness and smirking.

The stewardess then started tutting, saying the captain would go mad if we missed the take-off slot so we just needed to get into our seats. Oh god. Our new seats. It was my worst nightmare. She led us to the two seats halfway down the plane right next to the large exit doors. No window, just a door to my right with multiple emergency signs (and a bloody key in it with a massive red label on it saying "REMOVE AFTER TAKE-OFF" which stayed in for the whole flight!! (I was too mortified to ask anyone if it should really still be in the lock during the flight!). No seats in front of us so I felt massively exposed (and no seat-back for my crash position!!!), just a big gap then the next row. (Couldn't fault the leg-room though!). Plus a weird gap to my right as the two seats were slightly off-set so the window seat behind me had a bit of a half-gap in front of it. Through this gap, every 10 minutes or so, came a small child belonging to the couple sitting behind us. But the gap was a bit tight so the little girl was grabbing onto my arm-rest/arm to haul herself through, stepping on our feet as she came cackling past and grabbing my DP's knee to fling herself round the corner back into her parents' row. After an hour of this I turned to the couple and said "I'm sorry to be a pain but it's actually really annoying, d'you mind stopping her doing this" and they just looked at me (through the 20 mini wine bottles) and said it was keeping her quiet and it was a long flight for a little child so no, they couldn't.

Arghhh!! Dreadful experience. I felt really exposed and really anxious for the whole flight. Just horrible.

On a final note, the stewardess delivered my DP's pre-booked/paid meal to our original seats and the bloody woman took it and ate it!! My DP enquired as to where his meal was and, after 10 mins of him explaining what had happened with the seats (different stewardess!) she said she'd taken his meal to the original seat and it was accepted! She agreed to bring him a meal, but it had to be the vegetarian option now as they'd run out of standard meals...I was sorely tempted to say something to the woman at the baggage travelator thingy at the other end but by that point I was a bit of a wreck and couldn't be arsed with anything other than a large glass of wine!! (And she was still throwing the smug smirks my way so I didn't want to give her the satisfaction of showing I was bothered...)

I emailed Monarch when we got home and received a template email back saying, basically, tough shit, read the small print, we have the right to move you, this woman had children!! Yep, sorry about the meal but it's easily done as meals are allocated to seat numbers, not names and we have the right to change your meal, that's on the small print too.

We had a lovely holiday but we're off again in October to Turkey, again with Monarch (limited airline choice for date/time from our airport) and I'm utterly paranoid that this may happen again. Wonder if I should email Monarch in advance....or am I just over-reacting and being unreasonable??!

(And finaaaaally! I was pretty upset at that woman. I like to think if that were me I'd at least acknowledge the unfairness of the situation and say to the stewardess to be fair she has pre-booked and paid extra for these seats and is a nervous flyer, couldn't you just ask along the rows if anyone else would be happy to change seats? Or AIBU??!)

I'm a pretty confident, happy-go-lucky person in real life, it's just flying that turns me into a nervous wreck....maybe I just need to grow a pair!!

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ourlittlestreet · 10/08/2013 07:14

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Sleepthief · 10/08/2013 07:15

YANBU. That's appalling service from monarch (I would definitely be following up a complaint and demanding a refund for the seat bookings) and poor behaviour from the woman with the kids.

Beaverfeaver · 10/08/2013 07:19

This boils my piss just reading this.

I feel for you OP.

I wouldn't want that at all, and would be at the very least getting a refund for the pre booking

Inncogneetow · 10/08/2013 07:19

I'd put something on their FB page here saying "Don't bother booking seats with Monarch, it's a waste of money as they can move you anyway."

Then put another post below explaining (briefly!) what happened to you, or linking to this thread.

Thepursuitofhappiness · 10/08/2013 07:22

Awful. Can't believe they wormed themselves out of refunding you. Can you post your complaint on any social media they have.

Also a good option is guardian and telegraph consumer complaints teams, they may follow it up for you and it also exposes the company in the national press- may take the sti out of it.

lalalady1971 · 10/08/2013 07:22

Ha ha Kafri, I know exactly what you mean, and I just snorted a bit of tea out my nose at the "window in the right place" bit, what a twat I am! Grin

Tis true, I did still get an extra legroom seat so they fulfilled their end of the contract. I suppose it's more the fault of the airline for allowing some to book but guaranteeing seats together for others who don't book....there are bound to be conflicts. I think if they'd had their arses in order they could have prevented this though, but presumably no-one at the airline keeps a check on bookings where children are involved and seats aren't then reserved as part of the booking process.

Also bear in mind if the mother had been lovely and apologetic and the stewardess the same and said "let's get in the air then I could see if people will move for you and we can sort something out" I wouldn't even be writing this. And I would've accepted that it was unfortunate but then not want people to move as I wouldn't have felt as out of control anyway!

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peanutbuttersarnies · 10/08/2013 07:22

I know someone else who had similar experience. It is infuristing that the small print says you arent gusranteed the seats.

Inncogneetow · 10/08/2013 07:22

or Twitter. You were treated very poorly at the time, and their response to you is not good enough.

If they need to move people around to accommodate families, they should juggle the people who hadn't pre-booked seats, surely?

Justforlaughs · 10/08/2013 07:24

trots off to Monarch fb page, so I can "like" the thread when it starts! Grin

NeverQuiteSure · 10/08/2013 07:24

YANBU very poor service from Monarch. As others have said, why allow customers to pay extra to book specific seats when they can't guarantee them?

CoTananat · 10/08/2013 07:24

YANBU, they should have refunded you the money you paid to select your seating, as they don't offer that service.

Will remember this about Monarch, for sure!

Wheresmycaffeinedrip · 10/08/2013 07:25

Yanbu. People can't just expect whole planes to be shuffled around because they can't be bothered to book seats with their children in the hope that they get given better ones than they paid for. I don't understand when tickets are booked together that they don't seat families together.

What's the point of the option if it makes no difference to where you are sat.

maddening · 10/08/2013 07:26

I think they should do it the other way round - charge the full cost and then you can "sell" back things you don't need - eg luggage allowance, seat allocation unless you have a legal need for seat allocation such as travelling with minors in which case you would not be allowed that option.

peanutbuttersarnies · 10/08/2013 07:27

I think one of the reasons they cant guatantee the seat is cos sometimes they vhange the style if plane last minute and have different seatinf arrangement. But the stewardess should have been more sympstheticsnd done more to help you.

Thepursuitofhappiness · 10/08/2013 07:27

That is awful Monarch have wormed out of this without so much if an apology.

I'd email your story to the Telegraph or Guardian consumer help pages. They may be as to get yor refund, but more importantly, spread the word about Monarch's awful customer services. You would need to include your bookin details, complaint letter and their reply so thy can action this on your behalf.

Backtobedlam · 10/08/2013 07:30

People like this woman make me so mad, you have kids, big deal...it's not an illness! Moving your seats is bad enough but their 'dont care' attitude stinks. Surely they could have offered you some complimentary drinks/snacks from the menu to make up for meal choices, or free seat booking for your next flight? We recently flew with Thomas Cook (use their own aircraft) to Turkey and their customer service was amazing, couldn't do enough to help us. Maybe worth a look for another time as I think you can book flight only rather than just the holiday packages.

Ledkr · 10/08/2013 07:33

How weird. I have twice been sat separately to my much younger children and only sat with them after a bit of a shuffle but the actual airline couldn't give a shit.
I know lots if others have had the same experience on mn too.
I'd definitely take it further.
That woman will be less smug if she flies with easy jet who have twice been unbothered when I was sat about ten ties back from my five year old.

HorryIsUpduffed · 10/08/2013 07:35

I agree about tweeting rather than FBing - the word spreads faster and they respond sooner/better.

It's inconceivable that nobody else on the entire flight hadn't prebooked seats. It should be a no-brainer that people who have not reserved seats should get shuffled before people who have paid to prebook.

At the very least they need to have a word with their staff about how to deal with onboard complaints.

lalalady1971 · 10/08/2013 07:37

DameDeep, I'm not up early, haven't made it to bed yet!! MN taken over!

I think I'll follow it up with a chief exec letter for now, though TBH this thread has been pretty therapeutic and I feel rather empowered just by all your replies and support!

Off for a few hours kip (yep, I don't have children!!), back later! Smile

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FrancesDeLaTourCoughngIntoABin · 10/08/2013 07:38

maddning brilliant idea!

teacherandguideleader · 10/08/2013 07:48

I can totally sympathise - I hate flying and always book my seat as it removes one stress. I am surprised they put you by the emergency exit - my ex accepted seats there once as he wanted extra legroom and told me to 'shut up about your fear, we'll lose the seats' (note that he is 'ex'!).

I have checked the terms and conditions on my plane ticket and it says my seat can be changed but I would be given the 'same' so if I've booked a window seat, I'll get a window seat.

A woman had a pop at me once on a plane. My friend and I had paid for speedy boarding so we could choose our seats. A family rocked up with seconds to spare and then complained that they couldn't all sit together. There were plenty of 2s on the plane (two parents, two kids) so there was no safety issue but they all wanted to sit together and wanted me and my friend to move. In my view, if you want to guarantee you sit together, you pay for it and most certainly don't try to oust people who have paid out of their seats when you haven't bothered. I think there are some people with children who won't pay because they know the airline has to put them together, especially if just one adult.

HintofBream · 10/08/2013 07:49

Sorry to be confused LaLa, but were your seats "premium" because they were in the premium cabin at the front, or in the sense that they were extra legroom seats?

I'd have been very cross too whichever.

lalalady1971 · 10/08/2013 08:01

Just extra legroom Hint, nothing as fancy as that! You just pay an extra premium to guarantee your seats....theoretically! Grin

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Ilovemyself · 10/08/2013 08:10

ladylady. I agree with everything you have said except for one thing. To claim that the person at check in only did it to get it sorted as quickly as possible seemed to imply she was doing it because she couldn't care less.

She only has an allotted time to check everyone in. It can be very disruptive and costly for an airline if they miss their slot.

I think the simple answer is that the family should have been charged the pre booking fee ( perhaps an all sit together fee) to cover the fact they didn't do it in advance.

idiot55 · 10/08/2013 08:15

That would make me so mad. I think maybe the stress of fighting it would too though!