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I have tried for months not to post this question, but I can't help myself any longer!!!

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Enfyshedd · 19/07/2013 07:50

AIBU to be getting fed up with DSS2 complaining that DD is "bullying" him?

For clarity's sake, DSS2 is 7yo, DD is nearly 14mo. Yes, 14 months.

DSS2 has a really annoying to me habit of sticking his face in hers all the time. I mean, less than 4 inches nose to nose close, then he complains that she pulls his hair, pinches his face or pushes him away. I tell him all the time to stop doing it because she will pull, pinch or push his face away when he does it.

He will take books that she's looking at out of her hands, then moan that she snatched the book off him (I'm talking about board & bath books bought specifically for DD). Another thing is him building towers with her stacking cups or mega blocks, then complaining that she keeps knocking them down/pulling them apart

He is currently lying across the sofa and complaining that DD is sitting on his head after he got on the sofa after her and slid himself down between the back of the sofa and DD (I'm acting as a barrier to stop DD's kamikaze dives off the sofa). This is for the second time in 20mins and on both occasions I've told DSS2 that he's the one who's put himself there and DP has told him to stop messing about and get off the sofa if he's going to scream "she's standing on my head!!!" when she was there to start with.

DSS2 was the only person in the house to complain that DD wouldn't bite him when she started teething (when she was happily gnawing on my nipples during BFing, DP's fingers and, inexplicably, DSS1's nose), and would try and shove his just been playing in the dirt outside and has to be reminded everytime to wash his hands after going to the toilet fingers in her mouth. Then when she obliged him by finally biting his finger (DP & I were distracted), he played merry hell for 2 bloody days about how much it hurt.

I'm fed up of the bloody whinging! She's a baby, he's 7yo and a big one who fits into 8 to 9 yo clothes at that, he should be capable of removing himself from or preventing these situations. He cries more than DD does FFS...

Sorry for making you poor souls who opened this thread read it, but it's really getting on my tits after months of this. Does anyone else have experience of an older sibling who will moan about a baby doing completly normal baby behaviour?

OP posts:
Enfyshedd · 19/07/2013 10:36

I first met the boys only a month or so after I'd met DP and knew them for over 2 years before DP & I got together - it was roughly about the same time as their DM walked out. I was a friend of their dad, one of a group of friends he'd met shortly after moving to our area, but somehow we didn't meet for a couple of years (think he must have been arriving at the pub as I was leaving, then we all had to change our local because the other one closed). I usually saw them about 3 times a month when he brought them down the club on a weekend afternoon, so saw them pretty regularly before DP & I got together. I got pretty close to DSS1 at the time because he was having such a hard time after the break up and didn't want to see his mother - I ended up getting him to open up a bit and having to encourage him not to be so difficult about visits because it was hard for his dad to see him so upset.

He's seen his DM living with her DD for the last 4 years - he also has to share a room with his other DSis when he's at his DMs. When I got pregnant, the first thing he asked was not to have to share a room with the baby and we agreed straight away. He even got a new room which was redecorated for him.

I got pregnant with DD just over a year after I moved in 3 years ago. I spent an awful lot of time feeling like the outsider to their little family group. Yes, it is a lot of DP and "his boys", and me and "my DD". Sometimes I don't feel I get a lot of support from DP when the boys are around. DP will get DSS2 to help him out with chores, like preparing tea most evenings, while I'm dealing with DD (DP is a much better cook, and after 2-3 hours of having DD and both boys on his own, he wants the break from her). If I want a bath or shower, I have to prise DSS1 off his xbox to look after DD to make sure DP's baby-responsibility-free time isn't disturbed, especially if DP's having a tough day with his PTSD.

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ButThereAgain · 19/07/2013 10:44

I guess his behaviour in the trio of you, your daughter, and himself might partly be an expression of how he feels about another trio his mum, her daughter and himself. That might be a terribly challenging relationship for him his sister lives fulltime with his mum and he doesn't. And perhaps he feels (unconsciously?) worried that it is all happening a second time, that he is a semi-outsider in a new trio. That plus all the other insecurities of adjustment attendant on being a member of two evolving families.

mirry2 · 19/07/2013 10:45

Could the op give her dss2 an hour of her undivided attntion once or twice a week and let her dh give her dd the same?

sagfold · 19/07/2013 10:48

You've loads on your plate OP. The traumatic birth of you daughter alone would be enough to be dealing with now. Try to take a step back, give everyone as much love as you can and try to find some space for you. Consider counselling, what have you got to lose?

curlew · 19/07/2013 10:49

"encourage him not to be so difficult about visits because it was hard for his dad to see him so upset."

So he was expected to take responsibility for his dad's feelings when he was 4?

SarahAndFuck · 19/07/2013 10:51

Thank you Mermaid.

I've just seen that the boys have another sister, who is four. That must mean that their mother became pregnant very quickly after leaving, or was perhaps pregnant when she left.

That must add to any feelings of confusion he might have, if she left him and his brother and immediately had another baby who lives with her full time.

OP your description of his repeated behaviour, getting in her face so to speak, reminded me of the description of schema behaviour in younger children. You know, how they will repeat something over and over, like dropping their cup from the highchair so you pick it up and they drop it again. Apparently it's all a part of their development, they are learning something by consistently repeating an action or pattern. And in those situations, repeatedly dropping a cup or, like your DD, knocking down a tower, they are a good thing.

But I've read that they can also develop from upsetting early childhood experiences, such as 'abandonment' by a parent. And they can come out as a pattern of repeated 'bad' behaviour that creates a bad situation rather than a good one, because in a way that bad situation is comforting for the child, it's what they know so it's how they cope.

I can't find the article I was looking for but this one is quite interesting too.

This passage stood out to me as perhaps being relevant to your DSS.

What type of early childhood experiences lead to the acquisition of schemas?

1 The child who does not get his/her core needs met. The child needed affection, empathy and guidance but didn?t get it etc.

2 The child who is traumatised or victimised by a very domineering, abusive, or highly critical parent.

3 The child who learns primarily by internalising the parent?s voice. Every child internalises or identifies with both parents and absorbs certain characteristics of both parents, so when the child internalises the punitive punishing voice of the parent and absorbs the characteristics they become schemas.

4 The child who receives too much of a good thing. The child who is overprotected, overindulged or given an excessive degree of freedom and autonomy without any limits being set.

Therefore Early Maladaptive Schemas began with something that was done to us by our families or by other children, which damaged us in some way. We might have been abandoned, criticised, overprotected, emotionally or physically abused, excluded or deprived and, consequently, the schema becomes part of us.

Schemata are essentially valid representations of early childhood experiences, and serve as templates for processing and defining later behaviours, thoughts, feelings and relationships with others. Early maladaptive schemas include entrenched patterns of distorted thinking, disruptive emotions and dysfunctional behaviours. These schemata become fixed when they are reinforced and/or modelled by parents.

Long after we leave the home we grew up in, we continue to create situations in which we are mistreated, ignored, put down or controlled and in which we fail to reach our desired goals.

Schemata are perpetuated throughout one?s lifetime and become activated under conditions relevant to that particular schema.

This is what the description of him repeating behaviour he is constantly told to stop reminded me of. Maybe he can't stop, because it's become his way of expressing his insecurities about his mother leaving and the two new sisters who haven't been 'abandoned' by their mothers in the way he was.

Enfyshedd · 19/07/2013 10:52

I like the suggestion about getting him to help with her feeding, but it might be a bit awkward with the BFing and BLW Wink. If you have a spoon, she will wrestle it off you (currently working at trying to stop her nicking my knife & fork and teething on metal cutlery). Somehow I think it might not work very well.

Yes, I'm working full time, 5 days a week.

I am teaching DD not to pinch/bite/pull hair/etc. There's no problem when she's with her minders and with 2 other babies (one same age, one a few months younger). Most of her "naughty" behaviour seems to be directed at DSS2, but that seems to be because he puts himself into those situations (she will hold DP's finger and grin as she draws it to her mouth for a nip about once a week, likewise the occasional mid BFing nipple bite is accompanied by a grin, like she knows she's being cheeky).

He'll take books off her and say that he was going to read them to her, and I say, "why don't you just pick up a different book to read to her instead of taking the one she had off her?". We ask him to build a tower with her bricks so she can play with it, but he makes such a racket about her taking it apart while he's still building. I've ended up on numerous occasions sitting down as well to build a second tower to keep her distracted while he finishes his masterpiece for her to dismantle...

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Enfyshedd · 19/07/2013 11:00

curlew "So he was expected to take responsibility for his dad's feelings when he was 4?" - I was talking about DSS1, not 2. DSS1 was 10 at the time, and was spending a lot of time screaming abuse to his mother when she would collect him from school and when she would try to phone him. It was distressing for all parties, and I was sort of drafted in on his dad's side as adult child of divorced parents who understood a bit of what he was going through to try to get him to understand that calling his mother a "f w" for screwing another bloke for 3 months, walking out on her 2 sons and getting pregnant within a month of leaving them wasn't going to help matters.

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20wkbaby · 19/07/2013 11:01

It sounds a lot like the way my DD (5) is around her nearly 2 year old sister sometimes. Most of the time they get on well but she still doesn't understand that things are not always going to be exactly equal as they have different needs, she also forgets quite easily all the treats she gets that her sister doesn't.

I do get very fed up of being referee and sometimes feeling that I can't leave them alone together. I try and give DD her own time - usually just a cuddle or a bit of rough and tumble play and tickling etc can totally transform her behaviour for the rest of the day. I also keep reminding her that her sister is smaller than her, that she had a treat her sister didn't and that her sister is learning how to be a sibling by watching her so to be very careful what she teaches her.

It is horrible but I think this is one of those situations where having a sibling is beneficial in the long term. We have a number of friends with only children and from my experience they are far less tolerant of smaller children and their crying/ snatching etc.

DeWe · 19/07/2013 11:03

He does sound attention seeking, and you need to look at how you handle it.

But, people, I don't feel it reads that the Op is favouring his sister, or not liking him. She's posting to give an idea of what he's doing, she's including the incidents when it's been a problem, not saying how wonderfully he behaved when they did something esle because that's not what she's asking. She hasn't said "if he was on the sofa and dd got on then he'd have to move because she's little and doesn't understand."

I know how that goes with my dc (12, 9 and 6yo).

It is not uncommon, for example, for one dc to be on the computer watching something/playing a game with the volume on. Second dc decides that the only chair they can possible sit on (out of 3 chairs, one sofa and a bean bag in the same room, other rooms they can go to that are as comfortable, plus their own room) is the chair that is 1m behind the computer. Then moans about the volume of the sound because it's distracting them from what they're doing.
Or (example from yesterday) 2 of them playing with their water pistols in the garden. Third one walks out into the middle of the garden and sits down, then complains they are wet... well they could see before they went out that a water fight was going on in the garden, if you walk into the middle, you will get wet. If they had come and asked, I would have suggested they go to the edge and told the other two not to fire near.
Sometimes it appears that they have deliberately done something so they can then feel justified about complaining about it.
Whatever the age, whatever the excuse for why they "had" to go to that particular place, I will usually go on the side of the one who was there first unless there is something unalterable: For example if dd2 decided to do her trumpet practice in the same room as the piano 5 minutes before dd1 needed to do her piano practice then it's slightly different, as the paino doesn't move. However, generally I would tell dd1 to wait until dd2 had finished anyway.

piprabbit · 19/07/2013 11:03

If you are BLW then getting him to help is easy. He can have the very, very important job of demonstrating how to pick things up and eat them. He can cut strawberries in half for her, make food art on her plate for her to eat. It doesn't matter whether your DD needs this sort of help, it won't harm and it just might give your DSS a little self-esteem and improve his relationship with his sister.

The final paragraph of your last post does make it sound like you are trying to micro-manage their play and as though he hears a lot of comments about his way of playing not being good enough because it is not your way.

LookingForwardToMarch · 19/07/2013 11:04

Didn't anyone tell you op?

Your a step mum. That means that when you get home from work you have to ignore your own child and make your stepson (who sounds like he is being a normal annoying 7 year old btw) feel so super special!!!

Anything less than total and utter devotion to said stepson means you are an awful woman who obviously hates him.

Anyway ignore the stuff you can, be firm with the stuff you can't and the phase will pass Grin

LookingForwardToMarch · 19/07/2013 11:06

*You're

mirry2 · 19/07/2013 11:06

Op the way you put it, the only attention your dss2 gets from you is a reprimand when he's being 'naughty' or getting him to 'build a tower of bricks so she can play with it.' Why don't you give him some one-to-one time?

MrsBungle · 19/07/2013 11:09

This behaviour just sounds normal to me! Although mine are 14 months and 4 so I suppose a 7 year old should be a bit more mature - but he's still a child.

My dd (4) is always 'mithering' the baby. She's never left him alone since the minute he was born. He's a big, strapping walking, flailing toddler now who pushes her away, whacks her in the face with a remote control etc. she's always saying ds hit me, ds stamped on me, ds is mean to me. All said in a whiny whingy voice when I've told her for the 40 millionth time to not be 1 inch from his face then he can't do it!

From what you say, though, it does seem there are maybe other issues in this case. I can see that your little ds might feel a bit lost in his situation.

shewhowines · 19/07/2013 11:26

You have got into a vicious cycle where he feels pushed out and jealous, he needs telling off all the time so he feels more jealous and so on.

I've been there. What worked for us was love bombing. Insist on cuddles in a jokey way, even if they push you away. Laugh, joke and spend some time being affectionante. Give him so much positive attention.

Act if you have to, even if you don't feel it. Fake it till you make it.
I guarantee it works.

bumblingbovine · 19/07/2013 11:35

I kno you are very busy with a full time job and a toddler but is there any way you could spend 30 min a week playing with him?
Just the two of you. Agree a time with him, don't use it as a reward or punishment just say how much you are looking forward to it in the day or two leading up to it. Then you will need to play whatever he wants. You may find he is a bit angry so his play could be a bit too rough. Set some rules such as no hitting etc etc only a couple to keep things safe and then just play but follow his lead. If he won't follow your basic rules calmly stop the play and say I am disappointed we have to stop but let's do this agin on xx day and hopefully we can stick to the rules then. Stick to thos decision calmly and I am certain the next time he will reign himself in if he gets too rough again.

Don't get me wrong this can incredibly difficult to do as it can bring up some difficult feelings in the adult but this transformed my relationship with Ds and his behaviour It made our connection stronger and helped me to love him more despite his behaviour which could be very very difficult for me to manage sometimes.

This little boy seems to me to be crying out for you (not your dh) to show him you care. You may care for him as you say you do but him may not always understand that. Spending a small amount of time with him each with just do what he wants to may make all the difference to his behaviour

bumblingbovine · 19/07/2013 11:38

Btw I am not a step mum. Sometimes natural mothers (is that the right term ?)have to do some work on improving their bond with their child. I'm not sure why it would be any different with a step parent.

ercolercol · 19/07/2013 11:41

it sounds like he's HAS a problem, he's not being a problem. Have a look at the great Bonnie Harris' website ww.bonnieharris.com. I love her.

also if my mum had left me, you being all over your new baby (naturally) would raise all sorts of uncomfortable feelings that I wouldn't be able to express. Why do you love your baby so much more than his mum loves him? Maybe that's why he looks at her so closely, to see if there is an answer.

ercolercol · 19/07/2013 11:48

and you are doing a FAB job in a very difficult situation so well done you. My kids can be so bloody annoying, I just can't imagine how a step parent does it. It sounds like you are doing your level best for everyone.

JamieandtheMagicTorch · 19/07/2013 11:57

This sounds v difficult for you.

I wouls add to the good advice, that he cannot change his behaviour withhout you first changing how you communicate with him. By repeating the same behaviour over and over, he's telling you what you are doing is not working.

You have to try and find a way to speak to him that is more positive. Tell him what you want him to do not what you don't want him to do.

I would reommend the book Playful Parenting. It's not so much of a manual as other books, but it is an enlightening look at what children communicate through their play, and ways of using playfulness to
A) bond with them
B) deal with those times of confrontation or when we need to persuade them to do something

It's a cliche, but i really think it is true that when they are at their most unloveable and irritating is when they needs us to love bomb them most.

JamieandtheMagicTorch · 19/07/2013 12:00

Also otally agree with faking it til you make it, and trying to be completely "present" in the moment when playing. Clearing your head of otherr things, letting some of the control go, and following his lead.

whois · 19/07/2013 12:01

Yet another 'bash the evil stepmother' thread. Give her a break, it's her first baby and hasn't had to deal with sibling jealously before. I'm sure most parents would find this tricky the first time round!

LilacPeony · 19/07/2013 12:36

No one is suggesting that the OP needs to come home and ignore her own child in favour of her step child, but what many many people on this thread have suggested is that the OP needs to make time for some one to one time as it will really help his behaviour the rest of the time and therefore benefit her too. Even if it is just for 30 mins or an hour a week. I did this with my own dd when she was behaving badly because of jealousy towards her younger dd. We call it "Mum and * Time" She loves it and it really helped her behaviour. Would you not consider doing that OP?

JamieandtheMagicTorch · 19/07/2013 12:58

whois

I think most of us sympathise. But ultimately, sympathy isn't going to change anything. I have no experience of step parenting. It must be loody hard, given how hard parenting is!

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