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to be pissed off with ex and his pregnant missus?

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urtwistingmymelonman · 18/07/2013 07:06

so ex and I have an eight year old son together who he sees every weekend.
they are expecting a baby together and so are my oh and I(bit Jeremy kyle I know!).
its ds's birthday in a couple of weeks and it will be falling on a weekend when his dad has him.
I presumed his dad would be happy about this and would be doing something with him as he has whinged for the last six years about how he never has him on his birthday and never gets to take him out for birthday either.
considering I have arranged and payed for trips to theme parks,animal parks,parties etc for his birthdays for the past six years I don't think this is a unfair expectation.
I have also arranged to take him and a couple of school friends out to the cinema and pizza hut the Friday before his birthday as my b'day treat to him.
however,son comes home last weekend and says that dad wont be doing anything for him on his birthday as pregnant missus doesn't really want to be on her feet much and cant go on rides etc.
im royally pissed off about this as I feel that that's her rigfht but why cant they go out without her?
it seems that since she has been pregnant ive had to pull ex up on a lot of things regarding my son being affected by her needy mood swings.
imten years older than her,on my second pregnancy and just getting on with things as normal.
very worried that ds will start to feel pushed out by them and new baby and also as a result may start to feel that it will be the same with my bubba too which it most definitely wont!

OP posts:
Inertia · 20/07/2013 13:05

OK, a suggestion for a way forward. How about you ask Ex directly what his plans are to take DS out for his birthday, because you know that he's got big plans based on past comments, and you want to make sure that the celebration you arrange with your side of the family isn't too similar.

That's not accusatory and indicates a willingness to compromise with Ex.

RinseAndRepeat · 20/07/2013 13:12

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mathanxiety · 20/07/2013 16:42

Oh come on math only on MN could taking your eight year old son out for a birthday treat be interpreted as some sort of "high standard" it's not. It is simply what any decent loving parent does for their child unless circumstances dictate it is impossible, and in this case they don't.

Not sure about MN, but the OP herself recounted her expenditure and the scale of her birthday treats as if she needed some sort of applause.

This child will be having a birthday treat that most children would appreciate (pizza, friends) with the OP a few days before his actual birthday anyway. She seems to be encouraging an attitude of entitlement in him. What child needs two birthday treats?

In any case, it really is up to the dad to do a birthday that he deems fit given that this year he is the one organising it. The OP has no right to feel put out that he won't be doing something she would do. They no longer live together and it does children no harm to accept that parents need not necessarily be on the same page or marching in unison in their approach to parenting as long as neither parent is abusive, and the dad here is not abusive as far as I can tell. Even when parents are living under the same roof they can and often do do things differently when they are in charge. It does children no harm to learn to live with that.

The dad has a right to do as he pleases when the DS is with him just as the OP has the right to do whatever birthday thing she wants or can afford or feels up to when the DS is with her.

Just as general advice as for feeling pushed aside an 8 year old can be roped in to help with a baby and can be made to feel important and appreciated in his role as older brother that way. It's not always what is done for a child or given to him that makes him feel loved and appreciated and valued. Giving the child the opportunity to contribute is a precious gift.

At age 8 it is important to start getting a child involved in contributing to the household in a meaningful way. Nothing helps an 8 year old older sibling bond with a new baby like being trusted with some aspect of the baby's care occasionally. He could also have some household chores. Measuring the relationship with the child in terms of what each parent gives in material terms to him will end in an attitude of entitlement on the part of the DS and regretful tears for the parents.

At 8 a child really needs to get started on putting the good of the family unit above what he himself may want. It's an important stage in developing maturity. Promising material things that he doesn't deliver is not a good thing, but it is up to the dad to try to explain this to the DS and up to the DS to wrap his head around it. It may well be that the DS will understand that this year's circumstances are different and he may well have enough maturity to get on with it regardless.

It is what contributes to the well-being of the child that counts in the long run and parents doing more than they feel comfortable with or able to provide materially is not going to do that. The quality of the relationship comes from parents investing the time it takes to train children to function well in a group, both in practical and emotional terms and this will pay the most dividends for all concerned. The quality of the relationship should never be measured in terms of what each parent contributes materially.

mathanxiety · 20/07/2013 16:47

I think it would be a bit cruel to ask the child what he wants to do and then tell him it can't be done. What the dad should do is make some sort of plan that is feasible for him, and tell the DS what is going to happen.

He could ask him if he would like to see X film or Y, or go to X or Y place to eat (giving choices he is able and willing to provide), but asking an open ended 'What do you want to do Son?' which is followed by 'Sorry, that's off the cards' when the DS suggests EuroDisney is just playing with his mind.

mathanxiety · 20/07/2013 17:02

it always amazes me how someone can squeeze all that wrong information out of my op math. What could be the harm of her staying at home for a while while dad takes son out? Is that REALLY too much to ask?

Yes it really is, Melon.

You are projecting massively here with no idea how your DS will react to whatever plans his father has for the day. You feel hurt. You feel let down. Your DS may not unless you put that thought into his head.
IF you have raised a child who thinks an elaborate and costly treat is a given for each birthday then shame on you. You have done your child a disservice.

Butt out of the relationship of your ex with his wife.
It is up to this man to decide how he conducts himself in his own home with his own wife and your judgeyness about the wife and about her husband is misplaced.

Butt out of the relationship the DS has with his dad.
It is up to the dad to parent his DS as he sees fit unless he abuses him, and sorry to bust your bubble Melon, but not putting on a birthday treat of the calibre that you provide is not abuse.
Breaking promises is abusive, but you have no idea how the DS will react and you have not told how the father treats his DS outside of birthdays.

It is unreasonable to expect anyone no longer in a relationship with you to do anything your way and hopefully you have not contributed to any disappointment the DS may feel (though maybe he will not) about the birthday and will not badmouth the father about this to your DS. I have no reason to believe you will.

You really need to set your own feelings aside here and let your DS lead.

mathanxiety · 20/07/2013 17:03

And let the dad handle this himself as he sees fit.

OHforDUCKScake · 21/07/2013 08:48

Sorry to bump this thread again but something has dawned on me.

Imagine the following as an AIBU thread:

AIBU to want my DP to not take his son out for his birthday because Im big and pregnant?

Im pregnant with my first baby, my DP has an 8 year old son from a previous relationship. Im not due just yet but Im big, hot and uncomfortable.
The thing is, its my DSS's birthday this weekend and DSS wanted DP to take him to a theme park but I dont want to go, Im hot and heavy and my feet are killing me, we can all just stay in as a family and DP can give him a present. Thats not unreasonable is it? DSS's mum hasnt said anything, but we get on well so I dont think she will go mad. It just works out that DSS is with us when its his birthday. I mean, he is 8 years old he cant expect to celebrate every birthday can he?
AIBU?

(i didnt have the bollocks to name change and do it as an actual thread. It would so obviously of been a troll and I dont know what Id do if I was banned. Probably get a life )

PrettyPaperweight · 21/07/2013 09:24

ducks I think you've missed the point.

The OP was asking whether she is BU by being pissed off at her ex and his DW for not planning an excursion for her DS birthday - not whether stepmum is BU by not wanting to go out.

An 8 year old has told his mum that his Dad told him that his SM isn't up to walking round a theme park - and the SM is being slated by the OP and others. There are threads every day from outraged parents who react to their DCs account if what a teacher has said, and the overwhelming advice is not to take the DCs word for it. Funny how a SM isn't given the same benefit of the doubt, isn't it?!?

bochead · 21/07/2013 10:59

All sounds a bit bonkers.

Dad may have a wonderful day at home planned for him for all you know(8 hour session with Dad on the games console + junk food would be most 8 year olds idea of heaven as an example, though it's not a good every day thing to do & not something most Mums would fancy participating in).

If he really does nothing, then at 8 your child is plenty big enough to tell him off himself! I actually think it's a good thing that you are doing the social activity and dad is doing something quieter - variety being the spice of life and all that.

It's nice for children to see that key events can be celebrated in a range of ways. You have no idea if he'll be able to afford a £30K wedding bash or just a registry office and pub lunch in adulthood. Learning that you don't always have to be flashy is a GOOD life lesson. It also makes a child appreciate the flashy stuff when it does come round that bit more.

Let dad be responsible for his own relationship with his child> If he cocks up, he'll have to fix it. To do otherwise is to a/ drive yourself nuts & b/ risk damaging your OWN relationship with the child over the long term. You'll make the odd parenting mistake, and learn from it, as will his dad. That's just human nature & the perfect parent doesn't actually exist. So long as you both do your best you'll do OK.

As he gets older his relationship with both of you will fluctuate and adjust anyway, (esp in the terrible teens!) just as it would have done had you stayed together. The important thing is that he knows he is loved by both of you, and that you are consistent in your respective parenting styles.

Tuckshop · 21/07/2013 11:42

I didn't think a theme park had been mentioned. The ex had moaned for years that he doesn't have him on his birthday, refuses to take time off to do that even though its offered and now he has the opportunity is saying he won't be doing anything as his dp is pregnant.

I totally get why you melon, and more importantly, an 8 year old would be upset by that.

This is a chance for his Dad to show him how important he is at a time when he is about to have new siblings in both households. And if his Dad or his stepmum dont understand how that may affect him, then I think melonman is justified in bring concerned.

This is nothing to do with wanting things her way, or wanting to control. I totally get where you are coming from melonman.

Boomba · 21/07/2013 12:36

i think its a good idea to speak to your X and see what he has planned for ds's birthday...if they are really going to do nothing then I would keep ds at home for his birthday and do something with him

PrettyPaperweight · 21/07/2013 12:43

now he has the opportunity is saying he won't be doing anything as his dp is pregnant

That's not the case though - the OP made it clear that she is basing her reaction on the statement of her 8 year old DS who has said "Dad days we won't be doing anything because SM can't go on rides".

Sounds like the 8 year old has jumped to conclusions in response to Dad explaining that they may not be able to do what Mum has done over the last few years - but hey, noone really knows, do they?
The OP is "royally pissed off" on the basis of her DS interpretation - lets hope her DS never misrepresents life with Mum to his Dad; after all, DS should always be believed without question!

Tuckshop · 21/07/2013 12:55

She isn't believing him without question, she has said she is going to discuss it. And she says this isn't the first incident that has caused her concern. Perhaps he is actually telling it as is - not all children misinterpret stuff.

mathanxiety · 21/07/2013 19:34

The ex had moaned for years that he doesn't have him on his birthday, refuses to take time off to do that even though its offered and now he has the opportunity is saying he won't be doing anything as his dp is pregnant. I totally get why you melon, and more importantly, an 8 year old would be upset by that. [Tuckshop]

An 8 year old would only be upset by all of the above if he knew about it. If either of these parents has been whining about it to him or encouraging him to whine about it to them, then that parent is a poor parent.

And yes, wanting things your way when you are talking about a completely separate household, and wanting to control are completely wrong.

If the shoe was on the other foot and her ex was expecting her to do something she didn't want to because of some condition of her H, or go to expense she couldn't afford or whatever, no doubt the OP would resent that sticking in of the oar on the part of her ex, and rightly so.

And, importantly, there is no way she should be discussing birthday plans with anyone except the dad here. Using a child as a source of information about the other parent or his/her plans is a bad thing to do, not because information is unreliable, but because this is a matter for the adults to deal with as adults and co-parents.

Whether the OP supports the dad's B-day plans or not, she needs to respect his right to have some or to have none and she needs to make it clear to her DS that he needs to accept whatever dad has in mind for the B-day, and not undermine the father by any sort of complaint to the DS, remark about the stepmother to the DS, etc. She would expect the same courtesy herself from the father when it comes to her decisions and family/relationship circumstances, I am sure.

mathanxiety · 21/07/2013 19:43

I would take the DC's word - but this isn't the point either. The point is this is between the adults and as co-parents they need to back each other up.

The OP needs to get a grip here and realise the DS's life will not be ruined by having only one birthday celebration this year.

She is already providing a birthday celebration for the DS with friends, and expecting her ex to provide another. If she lets the child know that she expects that she is going to spoil him and risk undermining his relationship with his father.

OHforDUCKScake · 21/07/2013 19:47

I havent missed the point at all paperweight my questions (both of which have gone unanswered bar one (?)) was to those who were saying the OP was U because she should 'let them be a family', 'let the child learn that he cant always have it his way' 'that mother should except its nothing to do with her' etc etc.

They are off the top of my head but if toy like ai can do direct quotes if you cannot remember all of the YABU replies?

Once again, no one could answer my first question nor my later AIBU question. point proved.

Anyway, bored of proving myself on this thread, time to move on. Smile

mathanxiety · 21/07/2013 19:59

DUCKS, I would say yanbu to that one, particularly if you revealed that the DSS was going to have a birthday celebration provided by his mother.

If it also emerged that you were going to provide a cake and candles and maybe a favourite dinner of the DS then I don't think anyone would raise an eyebrow, and in fact a lot of people would wonder why the DSS felt he was entitled to a theme park trip or any trip anywhere for the day.

Bottom line of my response would be, this isn't going to scar the child for life (or come even close to it) unless the mother chooses to blow it out of proportion and involve the DS in her resentful attitude towards the ex and her very strange competitive attitude to dealing with pregnancy.

Tuckshop · 21/07/2013 20:01

An 8 year old is well able to feel upset about a much promised birthday celebration not taking place without any influence! And of course he is going to come home and talk about things his Dad has said to him, that's just normal chat after seeing the other parent.

She doesn't come across to me as someone who is even going to kick up a fuss, or insist on anything. She sounds lovely.

mathanxiety · 21/07/2013 20:21

Yes, he is old enough to be disappointed, but that wasn't my point. (He is old enough to deal with disappointment imo, fwiw, but that wasn't my point either, at least not in my last few posts.)

My point was, has he heard the promises or is the OP the only one who heard them?

If he hasn't heard the promises then he shouldn't be expecting what the mother has provided over the years. In order for him to be disappointed without the dad ever saying anything directly to him, someone else would have had to tell him about the promises.

Yes, he is going to talk about things his dad has said or things that have struck him, but a responsible co-parent wouldn't pursue any sort of a line of questioning unless something that was said indicated there was abuse going on. I'm sure she wouldn't want the ex asking questions about her and how she chooses to parent the DS when he makes innocent remarks to his dad when he is spending time with him.

As a divorced co-parent you have to step back and let the other parent do his or her best as long as there isn't abuse or neglect and let the relationship of the other parent with the children develop without interference, leaving aside your own feelings about what your child deserves or needs. If you suspect abuse or neglect that is a different story.

bootsycollins · 21/07/2013 21:45

Has melon been back to tell us what her ex said about b'day plans yet?

olidusUrsus · 22/07/2013 05:58

Cannot believe the responses you have had on this thread melon, how disgusting of his father to let him down after finally taking up the opportunity to have DS on his birthday.

Unfortunately there's not much you can do to stop your ex breaking his promise. Something tells me your poor DS is probably used to it. I hope he has an extra special birthday with you to make up for it.

I'd approach ex just to confirm that he's a flaky bastard so DS isn't sat there hoping in vain for his dad to get into gear.

My understanding of the whole 'dad having him on his birthday' was that the ex had asked to have him, said no when OP offered, and then complained the next year about the previous year and the cycle just started all over again. Have I got that wrong?

urtwistingmymelonman · 22/07/2013 06:03

well spoke to ex.
said(casually in passing,NOT mentioning theme park as some people seem to be so focused on that)
'well you have ds on birthday at last.doing anything nice?'
ex replied'well as im getting him a wii game for his birthday thought he could stay in a play that.ive got other things I need to pay for at the moment'.
mentioned that I was taking him out with friends the day before and he said'well why dont you do that on his actual birthday instead and I will bung you twenty quid towards it'.
im just:0 really.
on top of that ds said that dad plonked him in front of the wii all day yesterday while he helped next door neighbours turf their garden.

OP posts:
LittleBearPad · 22/07/2013 06:19

Melons Sad

He really hasn't stepped up here has he. Birthday treats don't have to cost money so he could have come up with a lovely day but chooses instead to 'bung you £20 towards something'.

Take DS out on his birthday and I hope you had a fabulous time.

LittleBearPad · 22/07/2013 06:20

*had was meant to be have

urtwistingmymelonman · 22/07/2013 06:25

and no olidus you haven't got it wrong.
glad to see you and most others have read my posts how they were written and not chosen to add lib where they felt like it.

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