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AIBU to think that organ donation should be opt in not opt out

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SodaStreamy · 12/07/2013 16:41

Wales is introducing an 'opt out' for organ donation.Scotland is watching to see if it's worth doing

Personally I don't think this is right

It's taking bits of a humans body without consent

The reasons I am not an organ donor are thus,

there are far too many people who have a dontated organs and change there behaviour and start displaying charactistics of the organ donars personality

I do not want anyone ever to think it's ok to take a bit of my body and put it in someone else and if it wanted it too happen I would tell yes , i'm an organ donor .

But if I don't want it to happen I do not think I hould have to sign a form saying my organs are not harvestable

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SodaStreamy · 12/07/2013 17:55

you can't opt out yet in Scotland!

all I am saying is people should opt in rather than having to opt out

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SoupDragon · 12/07/2013 17:57

abboherent........really

No. I said abhorrent.

If you feel strongly about wanting your body to be a rotting pile of flesh then just opt out when that is what is required.

SoupDragon · 12/07/2013 17:59

You never answered my question about what medical treatments you would refuse due to them being equivalent to "playing god"

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SodaStreamy · 12/07/2013 18:00

errm really sazzle my DS1 has a driving license and an age identity card and both of those carry words that say he is happy to be an organ donor.

He did not choses this , the words are prestamped on the cards.

As it happens he does wont to be an organ donor but thought it was 'odd' that someone had decided to assume he would be without asking him

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hermioneweasley · 12/07/2013 18:02

Your body will remain yours to rot uselessly in the ground if you opt out.

Job done.

MalcolmTuckersMum · 12/07/2013 18:02

Fuck. What a perfectly odious and contemptible set of views you have soda. And frankly, having now seen that your idiotic comments are upsetting someone who made possibly the most selfless decision one can make, you really really should STFU. We get what you're saying and you saying it over and over like a fucking stuck half-wit doesn't really help anything does it?

spanky2 · 12/07/2013 18:03

You will have saved someone's life YABU . If people do feel strongly they can opt out. Most people probably die of things that mean their organs can't be used anyway .

LadyBeagleEyes · 12/07/2013 18:04

Echoes SoupDragon.
What medical procedures would you be happy with Op?
And I'll repeat, if you have children, would you accept a life saving organ for them?
Actually I was shocked on an other thread where a poster claimed she would accept an organ but wouldn't donate Shock.
There are truly some selfish fuckers out there.

diddl · 12/07/2013 18:04

Perhaps there aren't enough donors because people don't want to do it?

Of course, it might be apathy-& then the hope is that the same apathy that stops people from opting in will also stop them from opting out!

Perhaps it would also help if next of kin couldn't say no if someone has already said yes.

Choccywoccydodah · 12/07/2013 18:06

Sorry soda, driving licence you HAVE to opt IN, there is a tick box.

Aetae · 12/07/2013 18:09

Honestly OP, just opt out if it bothers you so much. Stop exposing your ignorance while you do it though, please.

As you've seen from some of the posts on here, organ donation is an amazing thing that both prolongs and saves lives. Yet the sad fact of the matter is there is a very long waiting list for suitable organs because most people never think to opt in as donors or don't get around to it, and you need a large pool of available organs to find one that is a match. An opt out system would allow those with ethical objections to prevent their organs from being used, and put the majority of people (who realistically probably don't care either way) on the donation list, thus increasing the chances that a suitable organ is available when needed. It's just BETTER for everyone concerned.

As far as the government having a say over what happens after we die, that argument doesn't make sense, unless you're also against regulations about safe disposal of bodies, autopsies in suspicious death cases, etc? Because ethically those things are equivalent - they are messing with your dead body in the interests of the wider good.

If your argument is actually "it's a bit ick and I don't know why" then FGS just say you don't want to do it, opt out of the register, and stop trying to justify not wanting to donate your organs with facile arguments.

Original poster
SodaStreamy · 12/07/2013 18:13

right i am wrong.

really sorry to have offended so many of you

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SodaStreamy · 12/07/2013 18:14

just going to say again you cant opt out yet in scotland

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macreturnofthe · 12/07/2013 18:17

Soda I think your reaction is just the reason why it has been changed to opt out. You feel strongly so opt out.

Sadly there have been a number of people who were eligible to donate who could not because they hadn't opted in or their families went against their wishes.

I would suggest due to the emotive nature of this subject that you stop discussing it on a forum and go and opt out.

CleverlyConcealed · 12/07/2013 18:18

I don't really get your reasons why but you are entitled to not want to donate and to not have to explain yourself so you can just opt out if and when opt in is brought in UK wide.

Do you have children SS? What would you decide on their behalf if they need an organ?

FannyMcNally · 12/07/2013 18:19

But what are you actually going to DO with your organs once you are dead? To not want to save another's life sounds so selfish. It reminds me of stories of people being buried with money and jewellery just so grasping relatives couldn't get their hands on it. Grin

CleverlyConcealed · 12/07/2013 18:21

God that doesn't make sense.[friday]

If the law changes then opt out. It's not rocket science.

LadyBeagleEyes · 12/07/2013 18:22

CleverlyConcealed, the Op has been asked that time and time again but hasn't answered.
In my opinion, yes, she'd be the first to take them, she just doesn't want to give them.

Ledkr · 12/07/2013 18:23

My ds is waiting for a kidney donor and I do think people should still have a choice and so does ds.
One of his brothers and my dh are being tested but ds3 dies not want to and we are fine with that.
Kidney patients can have dialysis though unlike many other people waiting for different organs.

CloudsAndTrees · 12/07/2013 18:23

OP, I'm not entirely comfortable with an opt out system either, but you really aren't doing that side of the debate any favours in your posts.

CleverlyConcealed · 12/07/2013 18:25

I expect you're right LadyBeagleEyes.

Portofino · 12/07/2013 18:29

Op is probably just after a bunfight to be fair.

LustyBusty · 12/07/2013 18:30

slimshady I have not received an organ, nor do I know anyone that has, and I hope this isn't patronising, but thank you. (((Hugs))) Flowers

FannyMcNally · 12/07/2013 18:31

But ledkr, people do have the choice. They can opt out. If they couldn't that would be different.

JewelFairies · 12/07/2013 18:34

I'm not happy with the opt out system and I live in Wales. Neither I nor dh want to donate our organs and I wonder how far you have to go to ensure that this is clear to any medical professionals. How do I opt out? Should I have a tattoo on my body to say 'Do not harvest'?