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Jeremy Forrest verdict - aibu to be confused?

999 replies

noddyboulder · 20/06/2013 14:54

Yep, I don't think even his own parents could deny he's a massive, hideous scumbag with no impulse control - but how can he have been found guilty of abduction when the girl he had an affair with said it was her idea to go to France and she went willingly?

Can somebody legal shed some light?

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DuelingFanjo · 21/06/2013 11:24

"Her part was that she went to school and was vulnerable because she was a child. That was the only part she played."

^this

and children should be safe at school, teachers shouldn't be acting on inappropriate feelings towards underage pupils.

MatersMate · 21/06/2013 11:25

But he had sent cards/texts to other girls in his previous school. He did know he was capable of this.

It's not some love story ffs, he likes young girls, he wanted an affair with a pupil, she was vulnerable, he took advantage, there really are no grey areas, she is not to blame.

noblegiraffe · 21/06/2013 11:25

I'm a teacher, this girl was in, what, Y10?

Girls that age thrive on drama. The whole 'forbidden love, woe is us, for the world doesn't understand us and what we have' would be like a drug to them. I am sure that she thinks she loves him and that it's her fault he's going to prison and that will appallingly strengthen her feelings, because not being together is the stuff of many a navel-gazing teen song.

30 year old married men are not known for thriving on drama, for being overwhelmed by hormones and unable to control themselves.
Teachers know all the rules about contact with pupils. What he did was deliberate. It wasn't a rash impulse, it was carried out over a period of many months during which he had plenty of time to reflect on the warnings that he received. He chose to do what he did, knowingly, and knowing what teenage girls are like, and what they like.

Bastard.

SomeDizzyWhore1804 · 21/06/2013 11:26

Idislikemymil AVR2 may agree that what he did was wrong, but unfortunately she also believes that so was the girl!

And hear hear Dawndonna it seems that too many people have got caught up in the racy, romantic, Lolitaness of this whole case rather than focussing on the fact that he is an abuser and she is his victim.

FreudiansSlipper · 21/06/2013 11:32

he could control his actions though

we all have emotions that we do not express, we do not always feel comfortable with, some may even make us dislike ourselves sometimes they are fleeting (like being really angry with your child/partner and not liking them at that point in time) to having a crush or falling on love with someone who is out of bounds like your father in law it is how we act on our emotions

as AV2R i am sure knows we do not let our Id control us if we did the world would be a very different place

DuelingFanjo · 21/06/2013 11:34

"What he did was deliberate"

and he tweeted about it and blogged about it and at the same time told the child's mother that it was all rumours and told his wife he loved her. Confused he may have been but he was deliberately persuing the pupil while trying to hide what he was doing.

SauvignonBlanche · 21/06/2013 11:34

There's some weird nonsense on this thread by people purporting to know what they're talking about.
Good points from noblegiraffe above, at least there's some sense being spoken too.

SomeDizzyWhore1804 · 21/06/2013 11:47

noblegiraffe 100% agree about the drama. You speak nothing but sense.

OxfordBags · 21/06/2013 11:47

Oh, it's a complicated issue alright. The nuances and shades of abuse, coersions, control, powerplay, perversion, personality disordedness, and so on, involved in any dodgy relationsip are immensely complicated. But there is nothing complicated about the facts that adults CAN control themselves, and must, and that they know what is acceptable and normal and what is not.

If Forrest found himself mad with love and lust for a pupil, who appeared to reciprocate it, then he had several choices: just control himself, get over it and do nothing. Or leave his job, make sure he had zero contact with her. Or booked himself some counselling ASAP. Or Concentrated on improving his marriage with his adult wife.

None of the choices available to a normal, non-abusive adult include having sex with her and running off to another country (which takes a lot of planning, for those freaks here who are trying to excuse it as some sort of lurve madness), etc., etc.

And can people please try to get their heads round the fact that if someone criticises behaviour such as his, they are not trying to say he is some sort of terrifying, uber-paedo serial killer. Hmm Most people are capable of realising that there's quite a sliding scale between Normal, Decent Bloke and Fred West.

OxfordBags · 21/06/2013 11:48

Some typos in the above, I apologise - I am pissed off!

Idislikemymil · 21/06/2013 11:48

And the thread has gone quiet... It was spoilt when a reasonable discussion turned into a personal attack on AVR2. Hope you are okay. That's mumsnet for you.

mignonette · 21/06/2013 11:56

An attack on her views. Views she backed up with her professional status. Perfectly reasonable for me to question that. It would be questioned IRL too.

If a teacher posted here apportioning blame to the pupil, all hell would break out. So if a supposed MH professional victim blames in a manner that would most certainly be challenged should one of her 'clients' say it and then defend their views as 'a grey area'.....It is perfectly reasonable to say WTH...

SomeDizzyWhore1804 · 21/06/2013 11:57

Idislikemymil no one was attacking AVR2- she just appeared to be coming up with some very odd opinions.

Dawndonna · 21/06/2013 12:00

Idislike It was not a personal attack. He/she stated that they had a professional interest, I asked what qualifications were held. Under the circumstances, not unreasonable.

Remotecontrolduck · 21/06/2013 12:01

It's not the age gap, people do indeed mature at different paces. It is the fact that he was her teacher, he shouldn't have started the relationship when she was 14!! And he DEFINITELY should not have run off with her!

If she was very distressed he should have got her some help, here in the UK. Instead he chose to be incredibly selfish and take her away, aged 15 where even if she wants to, she can't actually consent to it.

SauvignonBlanche · 21/06/2013 12:05

I didn't see any personal attacks. Confused

DownstairsMixUp · 21/06/2013 12:12

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StuntGirl · 21/06/2013 12:14

People are confusing disagreement with vile opinions with personal attacks, apparently.

HeadFairy · 21/06/2013 12:19

SomeDizzyWhore Sorry, I don't think I made myself clear earlier... it's not the age gap that troubles me. Age gaps aren't a barrier to a healthy relationship at all. What I meant was that she clearly had some problems in her background that made her succeptible to his advances. I in no way blame her at all. The responsibilty in all of this lies with Jeremy Forrest IMO.

SomeDizzyWhore1804 · 21/06/2013 12:23

HeadFairy did she though? I am slightly sceptical about this, just because I know from my own experience that nothing was wrong or lacking in my home life. She's been described as a "self harmer" but is that because of the relationship with Forrest? At the time of my relationship I could very accurately been called a "sixteen year old bullimic who has issues with her father" but a) I was bullimic because I was being abused by my teacher and b) I was 16 so yeah, I did used to row with my dad a lot. I think potentially he details of her "fractured homelife" have been elaborated on by the press.

I could be 100% wrong about that, but it's just a general wondering.

FreudiansSlipper · 21/06/2013 12:23

i did not see any personal attacks

HeadFairy · 21/06/2013 12:27

I don't really know any more than you Dizzy, it has been reported her mother had recently remarried and had another baby. I can quite see how that may make a 14 year old girl feel very vulnerable and in need of affection. But I'm not privvy to every aspect of their lives. Maybe it was press elaboration, though I'm sure they can only report what was said in court during a trial. Not sure they can spread conjecture. Could be wrong though.

mignonette · 21/06/2013 12:29

He has just admitted to 5 further charges prior to sentencing.

DownstairsMixUp · 21/06/2013 12:31

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mignonette · 21/06/2013 12:33

Trying to work that one out. Its all live via link outside court so awaiting clarification.