Jeremy Forrest verdict - aibu to be confused?

[noddyboulder]

Yep, I don't think even his own parents could deny he's a massive, hideous scumbag with no impulse control - but how can he have been found guilty of abduction when the girl he had an affair with said it was her idea to go to France and she went willingly?

Can somebody legal shed some light?

[LittlePeaPod]

Whitgold. Just saw this.. Would you feel the same if a male 30 year old teacher groomed your son when he's 14? Somehow I don't think you will say your son has to take some responsibility?

Good point.

[AnyFucker]

ada what was the police response to you re. the FB page ?

[merrymouse]

The age of consent is 16, not 18.

However, re: 16, I'd say that as its difficult to earn enough money to support a child when you are 15 (paper rounds don't pay that much) and its tricky to continue your education when you have a young baby, there are quite good reasons to delay sex if you are a girl.

(And you should never ever ever sleep with somebody who would steal his wife's passport. Sometimes it takes a few years to realise this might not be a romantic gesture).

[AnyFucker]

Those arguing for the blurring of boundaries around the age of consent are very worrying individuals

However, it isn't relevant here since this bloke started grooming a child who was a full 4 years below the legal position wrt his position and the child's position

That's quite a lot of "slippage" isn't it ? Perhaps 12yo's are fair game for predatory men ? Why not scrap the age of consent completely, it's a dog eat dog world after all and those knowing young girls should be given their own agency to be abused.

[merrymouse]

16 not 18 in this case.

[5madthings]

Its not about the age of consent for sex, its about the fact that he manipulated and abused a minor and abused his trust in a position of responsibility to do so!

[AnyFucker]

I suppose it depends on your definition of "coercion"

14yo girl with troubled home life and history of self harm/charming 30 yr old in position of power

There is coercion aplenty there (from his side)

[runningforthebusinheels]

AF I knew a man (vaguely - friend of a friend) who was a journalist who used to argue that there should be no age of consent. He argued passionately and vociferously. And wrote articles on it.

He is currently on bail for child sex abuse charges.

None of us were very surprised.

[LittlePeaPod]

Larry. Firstly we don't live in another European country. We live in the UK under our laws.. So what happens in other European countries is irrelevant.

This case isn't just about children having sex one day before the childs 16th birthday vs on their 16th birthday. This is about an adult taking advantage and grooming a child from the age of 14 for his own selfish prevented reasons. A child with emotional issues! We can not get away from that. The age of content under these circumstances is irrelevant. In this case he looks to have taken his time to get her to the position he wanted. It's not just about the sex, its the control, manipulation, lies and all the staff that goes along with child abuse and grooming..

With regards the JF case, lets not forget as a teacher he shouldn't have got involved with the child until she was 18 years old.

[flippinada]

AF - I reported it to Sussex Police and they've passed it on to CID.

[LittlePeaPod]

IPad predictive texts . Please excuse but I am sure you get the point...

[AnyFucker]

I am glad, ada

[LittlePeaPod]

His thread is nearly done. If anyone is interested in any updates I may get regarding police report I will post on following link. Ada. They sent my complaint yo CID too.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/1785730-AIBU-to-think-he-deserve-to-be-in-PRISON-its-abuse

[AnyFucker]

I don't believe the AOC is realistically to protect young people from each other

Two 15yo's experimenting together is very different than a relationship between a 30yo and a 15yo

I really don't understand why people don't get this, and find it very concerning that on a thread about this horrendous case some people would argue for the AOC to be lowered.

[DuelingFanjo]

"With two boys below 5, I cannot really say what I would want or do should it happen to my hypothetical daughter. However, one thing that I am determined to do is teach my children right from wrong and that they have to take responsibility for their life decisions. That does not mean that I would not want the teacher to be punished, nor that I would support my child in an inappropriate relationship. On the other hand, I would certainly offer continuing support to my child regardless of how I viewed their choice of relationships and would never say they were "dead to me" because they fell in love with the wrong person."

How would you feel if one of your young teenage year old sons was taken abroad by a male or female teacher after a period of time where that teacher had been having sex with them and after that teacher had called you personally to tell you that he was not having sex with them?

How would you feel if one of your sons went from being a loving responsible child who once knew right from wrong, to a child who allowed a much older teacher to use another person's passport to take them illegally to another country?

[DuelingFanjo]

A teacher friend of mine put it this way...

"I don't see where the argument is or how someone could defend a teacher who abused his authority.
I am shocked that anyone could see his side. If he was her father people would be disgusted so if a teacher's responsibility is in loco parentis they are supposed to act as the parent to the children in their care / responsibility. Therefore a sexual relationship is not acceptable".

[AnyFucker]

The thing is, this kind of stuff only happens to those other children, doesn't it ?

Not larry's kids, oh no. Just them other types

[LittlePeaPod]

This thread is nearly done. If anyone is interested in any updates I may get regarding police report I will post on following link.

//www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/1785730-AIBU-to-think-he-deserve-to-be-in-PRISON-its-abuse

[AnyFucker]

It wouldn't be horrendous if it were your child then, harriet ?

Says it all, really