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to think homeopaths really just make money out of the gullible?

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WidowWadman · 08/06/2013 20:59

A remedy made from diluted bits of the Berlin Wall - seriously, that's surely just a test to find out how far they can push it, isn't?

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saintlyjimjams · 14/06/2013 23:43

Hm we don't really talk about medicine tbh. That's not why I go there. I started seeing alternative practitioners for things that are not conventionally treatable so there was nothing to slag off. It was alternative therapies and what they do or nothing.

We have talked at some length about the AIDS project, but that was very clearly about working alongside the medics. I'm sorry to disappoint but it was all very above board (and as represented on their website).

I find it strange that you would be so opposed to healers working for free with people who are receiving conventional treatment or who are dying (with no option of anything other than palliative). Just thinking about someone else I know who volunteers for a scheme. I find it hard to see that as a bad thing - she makes no money at all from healing, doesn't believe in charging for it.

saintlyjimjams · 14/06/2013 23:46

Well her reasons she gave for not having chemo was the arrogance of doctors and medical staff, so again a bit of a leap to blame those evil homeopaths. (And she did see doctors if she was attending the Royal London - presumably they discussed with her her refusal to have chemo, they're not anti it there).

Crumbledwalnuts · 15/06/2013 08:29

[curls up into tight ball, rocks back and forth, biting fists...]

LQueen, do calm down dear

curlew · 15/06/2013 08:53
Crumbledwalnuts · 15/06/2013 08:55

Not diazepam curlew? it's all scientific so must be good for you

curlew · 15/06/2013 09:03

Can I ask where you have seen anyone on this thread say "it's scientific, so it must be good for you"?

Crumbledwalnuts · 15/06/2013 09:06

well being as how the over-excited anti-homeopath brigade have been misrepresenting like phooey - isn't that the tone of the debate now?

Crumbledwalnuts · 15/06/2013 09:08

But then you do all think your druuuugs are so much better than anything else and we simply can't get better without them. Help ! the sky is falling - a homeopath is on the loose. Wooooooo run away fast before they force some harmless pills into you.

curlew · 15/06/2013 09:24

Ah.OK. End of discussion.

This is what usually happens. SOOOO much easier to carry on misrepresenting people than to address any of the real issues that have by raised that maybe hit a bit too close to home. Like Ronson's shameful article about John Diamond. Like the FDA letter to Nelson's. Like people "boosting their immune systems with laughter". Like Penelope Dingles's letter to her homeopath.......

Crumbledwalnuts · 15/06/2013 09:27

The rabid anti-homeopaths got frightfully upset when they didn't manage to end it with insults and abuse - it got rather sensible in the middle there but well done for returning it to its prior form - the infuriated anti-homepaths just can't stand a Shock two sided debate Smile

Crumbledwalnuts · 15/06/2013 09:29

and what's more - they can't stand it when a bit of sarcasm is dished back their way - poor babies can't take it.

saintlyjimjams · 15/06/2013 09:52

Hang on if we're talking about misrepresentation Paul Merton's wife was a grown adult who made her own decisions. People are allowed to do that. Every day people make decisions not to have treatment or try and weigh up the pros & cons. Some choose to use alternatives some just choose pain relief. They haven't all been got at by homeopaths.

In that article Paul Merton's wife identifies a doctor (a trained GP working in a cancer clinic who says she uses conventional & alternative therapies as treatments) as being inspirational & offering hope. She says that the decision not to use chemo was made after meeting with an oncologist at at the Royal Marsden. Her decision around not having chemo appears to have been made because a) she didn't want to be left infertile and b) had had enough of medical intervention. They may not be the decision you would make but that doesn't mean she was influenced by homeopathy. The people she mentions in association with her decision are doctors. She mentions going to the Royal London - but not which treatments she had there - although she does mention acupuncture which they offer. Again all clinics are overseen by doctors.

Yet she's in a long list of people supposedly killed by homeopaths. Without a homeopath being mentioned relating to her decision at all. Going through the list one by one of people supposedly killed by homeopaths I was struggling to identify anyone who would even be identified as a homeopath in the UK (except a practicing GP, but they're doctors first and registered differently from the homeopaths mumsnet loves to hate).

CarpeVinum · 15/06/2013 09:56

The rabid anti-homeopaths got frightfully upset

No, just up to my neck in a translation.....I have pleanty more to say.

And there's no chance of me bypassing the op to challenge a vastly out of date vision of aid. But it's not something you can deal with in a three sentence, off the cuff post. It's important enough an issue that it demands more than the odd five minute break between stints of bashing away on the laptop.

Crumbledwalnuts · 15/06/2013 10:03

Carpe: I really was interested in your contribution, it was very thoughtful (I couldn't post yesterday much) but the whole thread is waylaid by insults, abuse, sarcasm, misrepresentation, misrepresentation, fulminating anti-homeopaths not reading posts, abuse, misrepresentation, insults, misrepresentation. Some people are so rabid they obviously can't stand disagreement or debate. They just can't bear it and would rather silence people by insulting them.

Crumbledwalnuts · 15/06/2013 10:05

In fact you quoting me now is a misrepresentation : the rabid anti-homeopaths got upset when the conversation turned sensible and measured, and did their damnedest to reintroduce the original tone. I don't mean they got upset and went away. They got upset because the insult-abuse-sarcasm cycle got interrupted and worked as fast as possible to reintroduce it.

curlew · 15/06/2013 10:11

Crumbled walnuts- start with your post of 8.29 this morning- read what follows and decide who ramped up the discussion again......

EllieArroway · 15/06/2013 10:13

Any chance of a sensible discussion was over the very second that you announced that conventional medicine rarely cures anything, crumbled. Oh - and that you are more qualified to make judgements about Steve Jobs cancer than a Harvard researcher.

But please do feel free to sup away as much tap water as you like when you get ill.......although each and everyone of us on this thread knows that you'll do no such thing you fucking hypocrite

saintlyjimjams

Yet she's in a long list of people supposedly killed by homeopaths

She wasn't killed by a homeopath - drinking water does not kill anyone. By refusing conventional medicine, she threw away her only chance of survival.

And yes - ADULTS can do what they like. It's when those adults are making decisions on behalf of children that the situation becomes morally tenuous.

ExcuseTypos · 15/06/2013 10:23

My own father refused another round of chemo, which could have given him another year or so. He'd had enough of 'conventional medicine'.

He didn't go on to use homeothapy, as he didn't believe in it. But just wanted to point out that adults do decide they've don't want chemo and they haven't been brainwashed or 'misled' by anyone. They are adults who make their own decision.

SolidGoldBrass · 15/06/2013 10:31

The main problem with bullshit scams like homeopathy being funded by the NHS is: where is it going to stop? As well as homeopathy, some people in Africa believe that the best cure for HIV is to have sex with a virgin, so they rape baby girls. They sincerely believe it works, you know...

I think there should be more prosecutions of woo-peddlers, for fraud and extortion. Particularly mediums, but that's a whole other thread. Mind you, I would also like to see Andrew Wakefield go to prison for the terrible harm he has done to public health with his scaremongering, dishonest 'studies'.

EllieArroway · 15/06/2013 10:33

ExcuseTypos

There is a big, big difference between people who refuse further conventional medicine (and lots do) and those who replace it with homeopathy.

People refuse conventional medicine all the time. That's not what we're discussing.

LaQueen · 15/06/2013 10:33

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saintlyjimjams · 15/06/2013 10:54

Quite excuse.

And there's no evidence that Paul Mert

Crumbledwalnuts · 15/06/2013 10:55

Yes - I "ramped it up" into a more of a thoughtful debate. The rabid anti-homeopaths were just snickering like schoolgirls at the back of the class about somebody saying "fuckwit" and generally engaging in all sorts of abuse.

Crumbledwalnuts · 15/06/2013 10:56

Oh actually I ramped it up into a thoughtful debate yesterday morning - this morning I looked at yet more abuse and rubbish and decided to respond. Can't take it? Don't like it? Really? Wouldn't that be a little - um - hypocritical?

saintlyjimjams · 15/06/2013 10:57

God this phone. And I do apologise for not using Paul Merton's wife's name - I can't easily check the article right now. But anyway there's no evidence at all that her decision bit to have chemo was anything to do with homeopathy. That's why I'm objecting to the list - a long list of cases where there's not a h

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