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to think that mark Bridger deserves to have his "parts" removed?

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whatever2 · 30/05/2013 22:00

while he's awake hopefully?
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suckmabigtoe · 31/05/2013 15:19

i know you cannot imagine what they are feeling. that is why catlike had an issue with your post. it implied you thought they felt the same as you.

suckmabigtoe · 31/05/2013 15:20

or at least i am guessing that is why catlike had an issue with your post.

MotherofDragons82 · 31/05/2013 15:21

FWIW, I thought Catlike's post was very well put.

pigletmania · 31/05/2013 15:27

Well now it's more clearer then!

SinisterBuggyMonth · 31/05/2013 15:33

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Catlike · 31/05/2013 15:44

Exactly, suck. It's akin to emotional voyeurism IMO.

Dawndonna · 31/05/2013 15:53

Erm catlike get your head out from the clouds. Of course I have no idea what poor Aprils parents are going through, I never said that at all. But what I can do is try to empathise! I have a little girl of Aprils age and jst imagining wat I would feel like if tat had happened to,dd. how come your the only one who has misread my post
I agree with what she said. Using the argument that *you wouldn't feel the same in April's parents position' is a useless argument, it's a logical fallacy, manipulating an emotional response in place of a valid argument makes your argument useless.

janey68 · 31/05/2013 16:05

What sinister says. I've also read similar from the families of other crime victims, and indeed from surviving victims of horrendous crimes. They actively avoid mentioning the criminal by name and avoid all thoughts of them as far as possible, to try to regain control over their life after having such a large part of it brutally ripped away.

From what the experts say, criminals like bridger thrive on control and manipulation. Becoming in effect a non- person, eking out the rest of their miserable days behind bars while being as far as possible forgotten by civilised society, is perhaps the most effective way of minimising their power.

That doesn't mean forgetting April, who deserves to be remembered forever.

toffeelolly · 31/05/2013 17:36

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suckmabigtoe · 31/05/2013 17:47

"What else would you do with him?"

i would do exactly what has been done with him- life imprisonment so he poses no further threat to any children. nothing will bring back april jones so anything beyond preventing him hurting other children serves no purpose. i dont think his imprisonment will serve as a deterrant to others like him- all it will do is keep one child killer off the streets so that's all we can hope for.

i doubt you would really be happy to continuously torture someone daily until they died as you suggested. i think it's anger speaking, which is understandable. to be happy to do something like that- i'd be concerned about how safe you actually were to be in the community.

scottishmummy · 31/05/2013 17:47

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suckmabigtoe · 31/05/2013 17:49

or rather- how safe your community was with you in it.

Dawndonna · 31/05/2013 17:49

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LadyBeagleEyes · 31/05/2013 17:51

It's people like you that make me thankful we have our justice system toffeelolly, flawed as it is.

toffeelolly · 31/05/2013 17:53

Dawnadonna what would you do with him?

Boomba · 31/05/2013 17:53

its not necessary that everyone be dignified

its a noble attribute for sure, but it doesnt invalidate an indignant response

marjproops · 31/05/2013 17:54

life imprisonment- as far as ive gathered its a hotel.

they get laptops. wifi, sports facilities,tvs in their cells , doesnt sound like a bad life does it?

what happened to punishment?

Boomba · 31/05/2013 17:54

oh..x posted with loads...my comment is out of context now

scottishmummy · 31/05/2013 17:55

I think you've gone all Phil Mitchell I'll ave 'im for effect.to rove some daft point
I think like most of us,you couldn't wouldn't undertake any violence.I think you'd hurl
I think your limited thinking equates violence with getting even,or settling a score

limitedperiodonly · 31/05/2013 17:55

It's impossible to know what you'd do in any circumstance until it happens to you.

I like to imagine that I'd tear someone who did that to my child to pieces. And then I wonder why most parents of murdered children don't.

If the murderer is in custody, obviously he's beyond their reach. But I suppose it'd be possible to persuade someone to do it for you.

That doesn't seem just the stuff of revenge fantasy films. There are people who are in prison because they'd do anything, so how difficult would it be to find someone? Maybe some of the attacks on prisoners really are contract jobs, rather than a prisoner trying to be cock of the walk for his own ends.

But it doesn't generally happen. I guess that might be because what you imagine you'd do isn't what happens when it becomes reality.

Maybe you couldn't bring yourself to murder and mutilate another human being, no matter how hateful.

Most probably, you'd wonder how it'd help your spouse and other children if you were behind bars for murder too. Because that's what would happen, though I suppose you'd probably serve about 15 years, because people would understand that in this case life shouldn't mean life. It's still 15 years of your life, and your children's lives, though.

Your marriage probably wouldn't survive whatever you did. There's enough evidence of this.

I loathe it when people who haven't been there say they'd do this or that, because it suggests that people who really have been there, and haven't done it, don't love their children enough.

I'd prefer to believe the people saying those things aren't really thinking it through.

On a related note: I find it upsetting that Lee Rigby's family felt the need to release a statement today asking people to remain calm.

Upsetting is my shorthand for 'an obscene imposition on them in their time of grief'.

motherinferior · 31/05/2013 17:56

When did you last go inside a high security prison, marj?

They are skin-crawlingly horrible. Not a bit like hotels.

limitedperiodonly · 31/05/2013 17:58

Oh God, that was really long, wasn't it?
Maybe scottishmummy has a point

Dawndonna · 31/05/2013 17:59

Dawnadonna what would you do with him?
Exactly as has been done with him.

scottishmummy · 31/05/2013 18:00

prison is oppressive,claustraphobic,with palpable air of violent tension
most unlike a hotel.unless you hang out in locked environs with crims

limitedperiodonly · 31/05/2013 18:01

So:

Stop saying what you'd do
Because you're grief tourists
And that's obscene

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