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to think this is the most stupid comment yet in relation to Woolwich?

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CookieMofo · 23/05/2013 20:56

Someone wrote a status in relation to Woolwich and the comment that followed it .... I was Hmm

"Should off left th die like their left our soilder too die all people who work should refuse too pay tax. Apparently we gone too war its all over the news"

eh? Confused

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plainjaney · 24/05/2013 17:54

I'd made a comment on FB yesterday about how I'd be interested to see where the 'send em back' brigade were planning on sending the British Terrorists to, the response?

'To the land their parents came from!'

Made me laugh actually, I didn't think anyone could be that dense but obviously I was wrong.

lubeybooby · 24/05/2013 18:03

This bright spark was really informed, intelligent, articulate and eloquent about the EDL's aims I thought

ImTooHecsyForYourParty · 25/05/2013 13:39

Me too, EduCated.

I also do actually consider myself superior to vile arseholes who spout hateful, racist and frankly ignorant bollocks and appear to have the IQ of a small piece of cheese. eg, send them back - despite the fact they were born in Britain. Never surrender to aslan - erm, think you mean Islam, you plank. We hate Muslamic infadels who bring their interracial law to the UK...

If I didn't truly feel that I am better than that, I'd be so depressed.

jidelgin · 25/05/2013 14:05

Isn't Woolwich a suburb/district? I know it's an emotive topic but it seems disrespectful to refer to what happened to Drummer Lee Rigby as "Woolwich"

squeakytoy · 25/05/2013 14:41

it happened in woolwich..

other tragedies are known by their location... ie Soham, Dunblane..

I wouldnt say it is disrespectful. Everyone knows what the subject is about.

LaGuardia · 25/05/2013 16:16

I am not understanding the outpouring of grief, tbh. A trained killer was killed. But then, I am a pacifist.

ImTooHecsyForYourParty · 25/05/2013 16:24

Then I would expect you to be upset and against the murder of someone, LaGuardia.

He wasn't a soldier on duty, killed by enemy fire in a warzone. He was a bloke walking down the street who got hacked to bits.

As a pacifist, I would expect you to be outraged by that. Are pacifists not opposed to violence under any circumstances?

LadyBeagleEyes · 25/05/2013 16:25

A trained soldier was hacked to bits with a machette LaGuardia.
And you, as a pacifist, don't understand why people are shocked by thisConfused?
I'm not seeing outpourings of grief on this thread, just general human feelings about a savage event.

BringBackBod · 25/05/2013 16:36

That's selective pacifism then LaGuardia

WineNot · 25/05/2013 16:47

I am not understanding the outpouring of grief, tbh. A trained killer was killed. But then, I am a pacifist.

A trained killer? Ah, that makes it all ok then. He deserved it.

What an absolutely awful comment to make.

limitedperiodonly · 25/05/2013 16:49

I'm not a slavish fan of the armed forces laguardia but I can think of some other words for you.

But well done, you. Bet you're hugging yourself now.

squeakytoy · 25/05/2013 16:52

A trained man was not out on a battlefield or in a war zone, where there is a reasonable risk he could lose his life. He was walking on OUR streets, in broad daylight, minding his own business.... he was not armed, or in combat.

And you do not understand why people are upset?

Midlifecrisisarefun · 25/05/2013 16:54

Laguarda Does being a pacifist mean you opt out of humanity too? The young man was a father, a musician, as well as a soldier, he was not in uniform, he was not 'in action'. He was hacked to death by two lunatics in the street, not in the field of battle.
As wine says what an awful comment!

squeakytoy · 25/05/2013 16:55

anyway.. the reason I came back to this thread was because of a post that I have just seen on my facebook.. posted by a few of my friends today, including two muslim friends.

Its a bit long, but I found it very interesting.

The author of this email is Dr. Emanuel Tanya, a well-known and well-respected psychiatrist.

A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism.

'Very few people were true Nazis,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.'

We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is the religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectre of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.

The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honour-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.

The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent majority,' is cowed and extraneous. Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people..

The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet. And who can forget Rwanda , which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'?

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany , they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.

Now Islamic prayers have been introduced into Toronto and other public schools in Ontario , and, yes, in Ottawa too while the Lord's Prayer was removed (due to being so offensive?) The Islamic way may be peaceful for the time being in our country until the fanatics move in.

In Australia , and indeed in many countries around the world, many of the most commonly consumed food items have the halal emblem on them. Just look at the back of some of the most popular chocolate bars, and at other food items in your local supermarket. Food on aircraft have the halal emblem (see the attachment), just to appease the privileged minority who are now rapidly expanding within the nation?s shores.

In the U.K, the Muslim communities refuse to integrate and there are now dozens of ?no-go? zones within major cities across the country that the police force dare not intrude upon. Sharia law prevails there, because the Muslim community in those areas refuse to acknowledge British law.

As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts -- the fanatics who threaten our way of life

Tillylils · 25/05/2013 17:05

Someone on my FB said "bring back corporal punishment ". Yes, cane the bastards, that'll learn em.

limitedperiodonly · 25/05/2013 17:21

Shouldn't have bitten, there.

Interesting post squeaky.

However, if I was a muslim I'd probably feel a bit weary at having to explain to people again and again that I wasn't a murderer.

Much like I imagine my dad in the Seventies got tired of having to explain to the hard of thinking that he didn't want to kill British soldiers because he'd been one in World War II because Ireland had been part of Britain when he was born there to a Catholic family.

limitedperiodonly · 25/05/2013 17:23

tillylils they'd probably like it. They're weird bastards

Asheth · 25/05/2013 17:41

Very interesting post Squeaky and I agree with it. But equally we should apply the same logic to the British. How many of us think of the EDL as a bunch of racist nutters who make a nuisance of themselves on demos and are capable of violence, but who will never actually have any real influence on British politics....

LouiseSmith · 25/05/2013 17:41

People are getting annoyed that Racism seems to work on way now days. British people seem to get the rough end of the deal, and one of our boys murdered in broad daylight on home soil really has annoyed people.

I agree something needs to be done about these "terrorists"

limitedperiodonly · 25/05/2013 17:49

Yeah, I'm British and I'm quite frequently annoyed. Something really needs to be done. I've got a list. Does anyone want to read it?

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn · 25/05/2013 18:53

2 men working at the same company as my friend (currently on maternity leave) have apparently put up Facebook statuses stating that "all Muslims should go back home"

The irony is that their company is owned by the ruler of Dubai Hmm. Not sure how much longer they will have jobs.

Beechview · 25/05/2013 23:14

Can I just say a bit about Sharia law mentioned previously?
Sharia law is the law that Muslims need to live by - laws for many personal matters such as prayer, fasting, hygiene, dietery requirements etc. Marriage, funeral rites, family and community come under sharia law too.
Depending on how the survey was conducted and understood, it is likely that most, or all, of the 40% are saying that they want to live their own life by personal sharia law in the UK.
It doesn't mean that they want to see cutting of hands of criminals and stoning of adulterers or for it to become UK law.

PetitFilou · 26/05/2013 08:28

Interesting how among the middle class women on this site the following are unforgivable, and signs of some who can never redeem themselves and should never receive sympathy:

  • looking at Internet porn
  • having an extra-marital affair
  • 'financial abuse'
  • expecting your wife to have sex with you ever if she doesn't want to

The following are not:

  • hacking a soldier to death with a butcher's cleaver on a busy high street.
limitedperiodonly · 26/05/2013 08:35

A link to a post forgiving his murderers, petitfilou? If you find one we can all condemn it, on the off-chance that nobody else has.

HollyBerryBush · 26/05/2013 08:37

Regarding the deporting, all very well and good to deport but Nigeria already deported him back here on terrorism charges. Somehow, I don't think they want him either.

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