to think this is the most stupid comment yet in relation to Woolwich?

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Someone wrote a status in relation to Woolwich and the comment that followed it .... I was

"Should off left th die like their left our soilder too die all people who work should refuse too pay tax. Apparently we gone too war its all over the news"

eh?

but they deliberately targeted a soldier, not someone from B&Q
soldier = symbol of government and war in Afghanistan = terrorism
which fits this definition I found online-

"The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons."
www.thefreedictionary.com/terrorism

You pedantically weed out the thickos, you automatically get rid of the racists and twats.

This is one of the more ridiculous comments I have read.

It's also one of the more tongue in cheek comments you'll read.

Although I have come across very few intelligent racists. The two are generally not mutually compatible.

Insancerre, please reread what I put - I meant that a soldier being killed is not more tragic than anyone else being killed. I understand fully why he was targetted, I just don't like this notion that his death is somehow worse than anyone else's.

My personal favourite from yesterday:

"Not all Muslims are terrorists...." we all know the rest.

I posted that the KKK should be informed, because that would go down a TREAT!!!

Obviously it is debatable whether or not the KKK would be defined as terrorists, but if we're to take the actions of the two men and the media's defining them as terrorists then the KKK would fit.

Also had to laugh at the bloke who decided that my rhetorical questions designed to get him yo think about his stereotyping tendencies meant that I actually believe all council house occupants are thick,lazy wasters, all Welsh people are rude, all vegetarians are Nazis and all people with blue eyes must like steak and kidney pies since I have blue eyes and love steak and kidney pies. I did give home the definition of a rhetorical question but Important pretty sure he still didn't get it.

I actually think it is more tragic, because a random attack on a worker from B&Q or anyone else would still be shocking and sickening
But to be killed just because of the job that you do, is more tragic, I think.

This whole incident in Woolwich ahs certainly opened my eyes to the opinions of some people. Someone posted on DH's wall last night that he (DH) wasn't showing solidarity with his fellow soldiers (well DH isn't in the Army for a start) and he had no respect for the Army, and no respect for white people, and that he is an embarrasment to his comrades. (well as i said DH isn't army and if his fellow RAF colleagues think he's an embarassment that up to them)just becasue he refused to post umpteen pictures of candles and pictures of the deceased soldier.
As Dh himself said, he can sympathise his family and feel terrible grief and waryness about it all, but he shouldn't have to put pictures and quotes and poems on his facebook wall to prove this!

Terrorism does not have to involve large numbers. If it is an attack designed to intimidate and install fear, then it is terrorism.

Someone on my feed liked an innocuous RIP page and one of the comments below it was along the lines of 'they shouldn't allow muslims to even buy machetes, there ought to be security checks for this sort of thing'

Quite apart from the fact that the Muhammad Saleem (a Muslim) was killed in Birmingham with a machete by a white man, how tf do they think that's going to work??

sorry, random 'the' in there...

"You see, they shouldn't let blacks into the West" FGS

Sky keep re-running a brief interview with a woman laying flowers at the scene. She says that the government should 'make more of a stand' but declines to say what that ought to be though I have my suspicions.

Insancerre, does it then follow that it is more tragic when a prostitute is killed for being a prostitute than when non-prostitute women are killed? Because, if your logic is the one a lot of people are using, why is it not extended to stuff like that? Not being goady, it is a genuine thing to think about,musing your logic.

I don't like the fetishisation of a death. It just adds to a general grief porn in society, and, instead of being about the tragedy of that person's untimely death, as people profess, it turns them into a mere symbol for people, a catalyst for people to let out their feelings, be those grief on one side, or hatred and racism on the flipside. It's not bad to use something as a catalyst to let out one's feelings, but people need to be honest that their reactions are about them, not the dead.

Lee Rigby was apparently murdered because he was a soldier, so though I don't think he personally is worth more than milkman, his murder is more significant because it's an attack on the state and therefore us all.

It was terrorism and the charges ought to reflect that and if found guilty that should be recognised in the judge's sentencing remarks.

The Islamic Society of Britain is shite ! Two faced bastards, they preach hate and vitriol in their mosques, there is no medium ground for muslims, they pretty much say, if you aint one of us we will "kill you" Christians V Muslims ... game on !

someone posted this, no me obvssss

I don't think its really the time to gleefully insult people as stupid in the way it is being done here, almost as a sport, given the sad and terrible events recently.

If the sneering attitude of the OP and other posters is meant to somehow prove them to be superior and on the 'moral high ground', I think its failed.

I think it's heartening and a much needed counterpoint to all the Islamaohobic shite going around at the moment.

AnyFucker, this is brilliant:

I hate being a member of the "human" race sometimes

That I am affiliated in some way to some people is a source of constant distress to me.

I don't think its really the time to gleefully insult people as stupid in the way it is being done here, almost as a sport, given the sad and terrible events recently.

People who spout such stupid and dangerous drivel are stupid. And dangerous.
And it makes me sad that there are such people around, as much as that there are terrorists.

It's not being treated as a sport, and I'm glad that reasonable people do put forward their more (yes) enlightened views.

So what would you call people who've said some of the things reported on this thread arealdame?

I've just spoken to someone I like who's said almost the same thing as the woman on Sky I talked about - that it's the Government's fault for being 'too lenient.'

As I said, I like him, had no wish for an argument and it's not as hateful as things others have said, so I just nodded instead of asking him what he thought should happen.

But it is a stupid thing to say, particularly because he's of Greek Cypriot descent and I'm frequently treated to his rants about the British Army now and the behaviour of the British Government over Cyprus in the past.

Oxford, there was some interesting discussion of the 'what is terrorism, is this terrorism?' point in the US media after the Boston bombing. The White House studiously avoided calling it terrorism initially. If I can find the link I'll post it up for you.

I don't think its really the time to gleefully insult people as stupid in the way it is being done here, almost as a sport, given the sad and terrible events recently.
If the sneering attitude of the OP and other posters is meant to somehow prove them to be superior and on the 'moral high ground', I think its failed.

Hmmnn. Frankly, laughing at the extravagant stupidity and bigotry of some of the people all over FB and Twitter at the moment is a pretty healthy response I think. I'm not from the Middle East but very much look as though I could be (bi-racial) so I'm a prime target for these shits. My father is a black man with a beard, plenty of people assume he is a Muslim. You think we don't worry about reprisals? Reading this sneering is cheering me up no end, thanks.

I do find it interesting that lots of these comments mention money - as in the OP 'why are we paying to treat them on the nhs?', and I suppose 'why are we paying to put them on trial?' and 'why are we keeping them in a comfy prison?'

I won't hear the same people saying: 'Why do we spend money on the armed forces of which Lee Rigby was a member, or the police who arrested his killers, or the bullets they used or the electricity to plug the chair into?'

Obviously these people exist in a world where you only spend money on people and things you like. Much like this government, which is the only criticism of them in this regard that I'll take.

Oh joy. Nick Griffin's been down there.

I will happily sneer at racist bigotry any day of the week.