to think this is the most stupid comment yet in relation to Woolwich?

[CookieMofo]

Someone wrote a status in relation to Woolwich and the comment that followed it .... I was


"Should off left th die like their left our soilder too die all people who work should refuse too pay tax. Apparently we gone too war its all over the news"

eh?

[fanjoforthemammaries7850]

Your point is good though :)

[limitedperiodonly]

What else would I say? I'm a middle-class mum and I don't agree with smacking

[fanjoforthemammaries7850]

You are so PC

[chibi]

well. it is certainly not great to not look white/to look foreign (whatever that might mean) right now.

i am now actively going to look at ways to go home, and bring my (english, yes, ethnically! english) children with me - have been mulling it over and this has clinched it for me

i don't feel safe anymore, and it is only going to get worse.

i am sorry for that soldier, and i am sorry for all the suffering that is and will be unleashed in the wake of his death

[waterlego6064]

I got into a 'debate' (in the loosest possible sense of the word) with a friend of a friend on FB who wanted to 'ship them all back'. I asked for clarification as to whether she meant black people/Muslims/men/people who don't support British Foreign Policy... After much toing and froing, we established that she was referring to Muslims and she went on to say that 'we never should of let them in it the first place', so I furnished her with some historical facts about the presence of Muslims in Britain.

She then went on a bit of an incoherent rant in which she mentioned 'schools with no whites in them' so I asked if she was confused about the difference between skin colour and religion, to which she replied: 'don't bring skin colour into it'.

[OxfordBags]

Wow. Just wow. I would be ashamed of a small child for suggesting that being anti-racist meant that you supported the brutal murder of an innocent man walking down the street. I mean, it's so stupid, so humiliating to the point of mental illness in an adult to assert such a thing. Except I wouldn't want to insult anyone with MH issues, as that might imply you were all thick, class-obsessed freaks, which you're clearly not...

[OxfordBags]

PS, Gawd, how I wish that being MC meant you were automatically rich, with a great job and highly educated without having to put any effort in. Sadly, me and Dh live on a pittance and had to work fucking hard for our many qualifications.

[waterlego6064]

It's infuriating Oxfordbags. The woman I had a discussion with on FB called me a 'sympathiser' and said I was 'protecting them' and 'on their side'. She implied I didn't give a monkey's about the murdered man or his family and I found that profoundly offensive.

[JerseySpud]

I'm not MC. I live in a council house, getting income support because my husband doesn't earn much.

But i do have a garden.

and live in Jersey. So maybe i am MC to you....

[EduCated]

Also intrigued by the implication that only the MC are anti-racist.

[OxfordBags]

I know, waterlego, it's frightening. To me, how some people go on over these things really gives you an insight into how ordinary people find themselves swept up in horrible regimes, like nazism, because of the pressure, outrage and even threat if you don't tow the party line. Add in state approval and you get something very scary and nasty indeed.

What these vile, ignorant, idiot racists don't understand is that is THEM and THEIR views and action that are an affront to that poor man's death. The tragedy of his murder is totally hijacked for people's own nasty, immature, hatedul agendas. They couldn't care less about his death, however much they wring their hands and bang on with their clichéd wailings and platitudes. Even over the internet, you can feel their eyes lighting up with the excitement of finding what they perceive as the perfect excuse to spout their bile.

They stop everything being about the victim and his loved ones. They make it about hate and blame and segregation and suspicion. Whilst they are not the ones who have killed anyone, it is their poisonous thinking, their disgusting lies that go on to threaten and damage our society more than actual acts of terrorism actually do. Terrorists know this, FFS. Look at at the response of Norway after their terrorist tragedy; they truly have pulled together as a nation and come out stronger because of their mature, measured, rational and non-hysterical reactions to a much greater attack than the murder of a single person, terrible as it was.

Finally, what the racists don't get is that the British - certainly the English, at least - are the most 'mongrel' nation on earth. No other island has been so invaded, has had such a history of constantly mixing and adding (through force or choice) new cultures, languages, food, beliefs, race, etc. And it has made us, a tiny little island with shit weather, in a dull part of the globe, one of the most powerful forces on the planet for centuries. Our multi-culturalism, our mixedness, is our pride and our power. If the racists got their way and 'sent back' anyone with a non-white or non-Christian heritage, they'd probably have to get rid of about 90% of the population of England,if they went far back enough, and that would include themselves.

[OxfordBags]

Educated, petitfilou also implies that the lower classes are too thick to go to university! But then, why am I expecting logic?!

[monicalewinski]

A few things on this thread:

Wearing of uniform - I'm forces, we were briefed the day of the killing not to wear uniform in public (as in the 80s with IRA) but this was rescinded by Friday.

Why is this called a terror attack (further upthread) - because the guy that did it SAID it was a terror attack!

I have been so upset watching the footage, especially of the family, and have had to explain to my eldest (11) that the same thing is not likely to happen to me or my husband (we're both RAF) - but I have laughed out loud at some of these posts; this is what the British do, in the face of adversity we club together, make light where we can and laugh (all Brits, regardless of colour or religion).

[BrainSurgeon]

I must be either very lucky or very MC

[monicalewinski]

Apologies for my last post being completely out of context to the direction this thread has taken, I tried to post yesterday but it didn't go through and just went through now. It made sense yesterday!!

[waterlego6064]

Great post Oxfordbags

[forehead]

Brilliant post Oxford bags

[namechangeofshame]

Very very good post Oxfrod

And the irony is when you said that they are looking for an excuse for their bile, the perpetrators of this crime did exactly the same. Angry fucked up young men who found a "cause" in fanatical Islam and converted to have a reason to abuse others.

The groups are more similar than they care to admit and we are all sick in the middle.

The question is how do the middle join and fix it?

[EduCated]

Oxford that had to be the best response I've heard.

[HollyBerryBush]

I wonder who did the stabbing, on the march, in Woolwich today?

Sadly there has been another incident.

[DreamsTurnToGoldDust]

Have you got any details Holly, can't see it on the news.

[scaevola]

The police say the stabbing is unrelated. Given there are 300 or so knife attacks in London every month, that's sadly plausible.

[pinkballetflats]

Oxford - you always put things so eloquently. May I take an excerpt of this to post on my FB page? I think these things but clearly lack the panache to get it down in writing in such a succinct and transparent way.