To be shocked and frustrated with the Islamophobia that's bursting out all over Facebook today?

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Following the awful tragedy in Woolwich today.

I have seen everything from "We want our England back" to "Kick out all the foreigners" to "Islamic infiltration of the UK" etc. I have paraphrased as some of the stuff is so horrible I do not want to repeat it.

This is from normal everyday people and lots of them. Is this really what people think?

I, like most people am horrified by what has happened to this young soldier in Woolwich, but why is everyone so quick to blame an entire religion for it and to jump on the 'kick out all immigrants' bandwagon.

What can we do about it? Ignore, delete, post, report?

I disagree Floral, I feel it's coming across as peeps saying "omg, tihs has certainly flushed some of the less-desireables out of the fb woodwork" not so much self-congratulatory.

However, I've been skim reading with a feeding (biting) baby and a pair of fighting elders...!!

Typos = fat fingers too.

'White British people in these areas may say, 'actually I prefer things how they were'.'

So, how WERE things 'before' PatPig?

I forgot a 'G' on one of my words! Mumsnet needs an edit button!

Patpig has a degree in obfuscation.

Floral and friends, yep we're a smug bunch of self congratulatory non bigots. Do you feel better for letting us all know that?

'How is it racist to say that Islamist attacks do not occur where there no Muslims?'

Because real muslims don't have anything to do with terrorism FFS

Anyone who says 'white british people think' has BNP leanings imo.........reminds me of daftpunk.

Speak for yourself Floral, I have just told a 'friend' in no uncertain terms what I think of her 'Islamophobic and proud' status. And that is that's she's not islamophobic, she's a fucking racist and should identify as such. I've also pointed out that as she's so keen to remove 'non English ppl frm Engerland' then she'll be happily waving her Irish traveller boyfriend off from Liverpool.

Whose fault is it that some ill informed white British people or others, believe that all Muslims think the way the two mentalists yesterday do? Whose fault is it that people believe that it's what Islam stands for? Whose job is it to educate people. And why do they believe it?

well i am white and British and I share none of Patpigs views, thanks

flippinada, I don't agree that the UK is a 'Christian country'.

There are many Muslim countries, where people's behaviour, dress, and so on are required to conform with (a particular interpretation of) Islam. That isn't the case in the UK, and I don't see that Christianity is a significant influence on the behaviour of all but a small minority of the population.

Here's a video, from the US, on what you could definitely call a 'Jewish area'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FEKhgBye5K0#t=114s

It's easy to see the presence of people who are conspicuously Jewish, there is a private Jewish security force on hand, and so on.

In the UK there are clearly 'Muslim areas', particularly if you are a member of a particular ethnic group.

I wouldn't be surprised if for certain ethnic groups (not White British), there are also 'Christian areas' in terms of immigrant churches, I believe witchcraft abuse cases are associated with African Christians in the UK.

However immigrating to Woolwich is really comparable to the Bible Belt of the US, any more I suppose than the Bible Belt of the US is comparable to the Jewish area above.

flippinada Thu 23-May-13 14:44:19
"I get the impression this will be dismissed out of hand anyway, but why on earth would anyone immigrate to the UK and then convert to Islam, if that isn't their religion?

Converting to Christianity would surely make more sense, as the UK is predominantly a Christian country."

Their parents came from a country with a large Christian population to which they belonged. Many black young men have converted to Islam because they feel uncomfortable with the history of Christianity and feel more accepted within Islam.

Chipstick - if people are too stupid and ignorant not to be racist then it is entirely THEIR own fault and their responsibility to stop being an offensive twat.

PatPig, answer my question please. How 'were' things 'before'?? Before what happened?

lottieandmia Thu 23-May-13 14:48:23
"'White British people in these areas may say, 'actually I prefer things how they were'.'

So, how WERE things 'before' PatPig?"

She might be thinking about the time before Pope Gregory sent those bloody Italian immigrants along.

Maybe the Norman Conquests. It was much more peaceful here then...

Continental shift?

My Grandmother was white and british. She was also an illegal immigrant for thirty odd years, because she was from Gibraltar.

That's interesting cory thanks.

What a ridiculous response. You really don't think people need educating?!! I'm shocked. So you would agree that young disenfranchised Muslims don't need educating either then? People very much need educating. It's ridiculous to say well people are too stupid and ignorant. It's up to all of us, including Muslims to stand up and educate people on the real meaning of Islam and not what we are getting fed by the lunatics taking over the asylum.

'So, how WERE things 'before' PatPig?'

Well for instance, 30+ years ago, schools in East London were almost 100% white British.

Photos for proof: www.friendsreunited.co.uk/woodford-county-high-school/b/136949ac-26b9-4ced-8717-b11355010356

If you look at the stats for today, that same school is now 80% Asian, 6% white British, and only 29% of children have English as their first language.

That is what it is, and there is no judgement attached to that, but obviously it does reflect a complete transformation of an area, which many people would not welcome, since the previous communities do not exist. Yes there are new communities, which may be 'better' or 'worse', but people generally will lament that which is lost.

Chipstick - if people want to be educated then they can access plenty of information which shows their position to be wrong and misguided. But some people don't want to stop being racist, hense the 'I'm sick of the PC' brigade.

I will say it again. Muslims have nothing to do with terrorism. The people who commit crimes like this are lying about their 'reasoning' or possibly have untreated MH conditions.

Anders Breivik claimed that one of his motivations was that traditional Christian values were undermined. So this seems like one lot of murders that wouldn't have happened if Christianity hadn't been brought to Norway. And where did those foreign religionists come from? Ah yes, England.

Oh right. According to the 2011 census, the majority of people in the UK who identify as being religious describe themselves as Christian.

'Well for instance, 30+ years ago, schools in East London were almost 100% white British..........there is no judgement attached to that'

Yeah right - what you are saying is that it's reasonable for people to want the UK to be 100% white British.

And your posts are not racist? FYI they sound like BNP literature to me...

Sigh it's all getting so tedious now. A man I used to work with has just like and commented on his brother's status which says:

Islam should be banned from every non-Islamic country. Our hard earned taxes are now paying people to cut peoples heads off. First Aeroplanes then Trains and now the general public. This attack will not be the first now, the cunts will now turn this into an olympic sport. Every cunt will be at it chopping peoples heads off. This Goverment should be be fucking ashamed of thereselves and fucking grow a pair. Bring on the riots, the Goverment will soon come to a standstill. Dont care who i offend but fuck Religion and you can stick it up your arse. RIP to the man who lost his life today!

I keep saying I will avoid FB today but I am like a moth to a flame!

I must admit, I couldn't sleep for thinking about the deceased yesterday. What his family must be going through. I also thought about life. How one minute you're walking somewhere, then poof, just gone.

I was also really scared (silly I know) and kept seeing the murderer's bloody hands each time I tried to sleep.