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To think that university graduation teams should cater for separated families?

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DisappointedGraduate · 17/05/2013 13:50

I will be graduating from medical school this summer and have been unable to secure an extra ticket. I therefore must tell either my Dmum, DSdad or Ddad that they cannot attend the ceremony. It's a long story, detailed in the below letter that I sent to the university, but the short of it is:

In this day and age, when many people who are graduating come from separated families, shouldn't universities make allowances to ensure that all of a graduates direct family i.e. parents & spouse can attend?

For anyone interested, below is my full story:

Dear Graduation Team,

I am writing to express my regret and dissappointment with the extremely poor organisation that has taken place regarding the ticket sales for ceremony 12

Due to the 'technical difficulties' I was unable to buy an extra ticket when they were supposed to go on sale last week. As it was so important to my family to get an extra ticket, I have been sat at a computer in the medical school constantly refreshing the graduation ticket sales page since 8.30am this morning.

Bang on 9am the site shut down due to 'high traffic', displaying the message in the screenshot attached to this email. I then constantly refreshed the page and tried restarting Internet Explorer all to no avail. I called the graduation team at 10.05am to be told that the extra tickets had sold out, however broadcast tickets were still available to purchased online. I tried to explain that for me, the site was not working (screenshot) and in this time the broadcast tickets also sold out.

I feel let down by the graduation team on three fronts:

Firstly: I imagine that demand for graduation tickets for medical school graduates is always high, as was the experience of collegues in the past two years of graduates. Therefore it would seem sensible to arrange a venue more suitable to meeting the demand for this particular cohort of students or to split the cohort into two ceremonies. The graduation team member that I spoke to on the phone said that uptake of tickets is variable, which I imagine to be true for other courses, but am highly sceptical that this is the case for medical graduations.

Secondly: I had anticipated a fair first-come first-served basis for buying tickets. This is not the case if the Graduation website is not built to be capable of sustaining the anticipated volume of traffic, so that not all students have a fair chance of accessing the site. This problem became apparent when the tickets first went on sale last week and obviously had not been sufficiently rectified before ticket sales were opened up again this morning, as evidenced by my experience.

Finally: In order to be at my computer at 9am (two weeks in a row), I have had to be late for an important clinical placement. Medical students on their medical assistantship placements (as half of them all will be) are expected to work the hours of a professional junior doctor. Opening up ticket sales when half of medical students should be on the ward seeing patients is at best unfair to the half of the medical student body on their Mast placement and at worse encouraging them to overlook their professional responsibilities. I was able to work late a previous evening (time away from my daugher) in order to be late this morning to buy tickets - not all Mast students would be able to do this.

I am in a situation, like many other students, whereby I come from a split family. I have a mother, a step-father and a father who have all equally been parents to me throughout my life. I also have a husband and daughter, however had already made the tough decision that my parents would have priority for attending the ceremony. I am therefore now in the impossible situation of telling one of my parents that they cannot attend my graduation. This is causing more heartbreak than the amount of joy that attending such an event is supposed to cause.

I am the first person in my family to attend university and during my time in medical school had to have surgery for endometriosis (a condition that threatened my fertility) and, on the advice of specialists, I conceived during medical school and went on to have my daughter. Completing medical school with my medical problems and a young baby has been long and very difficult and I am overjoyed to finally be able to graduate. It is such a shame that an organisational error and poor foresight on behalf of the graduation team has dampened this acheivement. I am not telling you this as a 'sob story' to try to make you magic tickets that do not exist. I am not that naive. Instead I am trying to make you understand that the students you are dealing with are real people with complicated lives and not just entitled individuals wanting their second cousins etc to attend.

In this day and age, I imagine it is very common for students to have more than two parents, not to mention spouses, and believe that it is the graduation teams responsibilty to understand and accomodate this.

The ideal outcome to these issues would be for the graduation team to increase the amount of tickets available by either splitting the cohort into two ceremonies or moving the ceremony to a larger venue, however I imagine that this is unachievable at this late date.

Therefore, I hope that this email provides food for thought and enables to graduation team to make much needed improvements to their services to avoid this level of upset and dissappointment for future years.

Kind Regards,

Disappointed Graduate

OP posts:
toastandmarmiterocks · 17/05/2013 14:40

Stop whinging and go and read your BNF or play with your child.

FrebbieMisaGREATshag · 17/05/2013 14:41

I knew all the way along that there was only likely to be two tickets per graduand. How did this come as a shock with a week to go?

MrsBungle · 17/05/2013 14:41

It is a very Ott letter considering it's about tickets but I can understand you're a bit disappointed.

It really is boring. I didn't go to my second one.

Go for a nice family meal after (and book it quickly as restaurants get really booked up on graduation day).

enjoyingscience · 17/05/2013 14:42

Gosh, how very silly. Tickets sell out, which means someone has to wait or join you later and then you can celebrate together over lunch/dinner.

Hardly worth getting in an 'emotional whirl' about.

I'm sure you're very proud of yourself, but getting into such a tizz is very strange.

tiggytape · 17/05/2013 14:44

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Laquila · 17/05/2013 14:45

I appreciate your frustrations but have to agree with others that it is simply not possible to cater for the individual personal circumstances of every graduand (and definitely not as simple as just moving things to a bigger venue and creating more ticket spaces).

Also, it's worth flagging up that universities don't allocate two tickets because it fits in with the nuclear family stereotype - they simply allocate two tickets to each graduand, and it is then up to him or her to decide who they wish to attend with them. You might take two parents, you might take one grandparent and a next-door neighbour, you might take your two kids. Everyone has to make sacrifices in this kind of situation.

Having said this, you are of course perfectly within your rights to write to the organising team expressing your frustrations with the online system, but the reality is that unfortunately for you, your personal circumstances (3 parents, illness and pregnancy during your degree) are just not relevant to the ticketing process.

Well done, though, on completing your degree, and I hope you and your family enjoy the graduation day. (As others have also said, having a nice meal afterwards, when you can relax, may well be the nicest part of the whole thing.)

DisappointedGraduand · 17/05/2013 14:47

I suspect you'll be having a rather large shock when you start as an F1

I suspect that most people are in for a bit of a shock when they start F1, however how I act in my personal life is quite different to how I act in my professional one.

I admit that in this instance, I was OTT and had a disproportionate response due to being emotional and tired.

From the responses, I imagine that no one here ever overreacts or gets upset about things that other people think are silly Hmm

It's not the fact that I do not have an extra ticket has caused me to be overly upset. I honestly don't believe that I have any more rights to tickets than any of the other graduands. Although I do believe that there are ways to ensure less people are disappointed.

It's the fact that I will be made (by family) to pick which of my parents doesn't go which, in my family, will be seen as though I love that person less. This is the difficult bit that made me emotional.

I do not believe that my family issue is the fault of the graduation team, however it was frustrating to be told that the tickets were sold out when their website had been telling me that I could 'not access it due to high volumes of traffic and it would be available in a few moments.'

KansasCityOctopus · 17/05/2013 14:47

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DoctorDoctor · 17/05/2013 14:47

Hi OP. I'm a university lecturer. First off, I think you're right to really value the ceremony - lots of people on here are saying it's 'boring' but it is a rite of passage and marks an important achievement. So I am always pleased when people go. You can bet that if universities stopped having them altogether, people would soon moan about that too.

You've had some quite harshly-phrased replies here but I have to agree with the majority of them in saying that YABU, simply because there is a limit to who could be accommodated. Lots of students have more than two siblings, more than two children, more than two close family members, and therefore there has to be a limit. It wouldn't be fair to allow more tickets to go to 'split' families - imagine people then saying 'why should I be penalised because my parents are still together?' So the fairest way is to just give an allocated number of tickets.

There might be some ways round this for you. Firstly, at one institution where I've worked, if any tickets are spare, they can be reallocated to people who have asked for extras. Find out if this is the case at yours, and if it is, get on the list. Secondly, if people don't show up on the day, it is sometimes possible to ask if extras can be allowed in. This happened at my own husband's graduation; some extra family members came along, with the intention of coming out for a meal with us afterwards, and just before the ceremony we asked if there was any room for them - there was. So it is worth trying this too, but do be aware that it would be a favour if granted, and you have to be fully prepared for it not to happen and then to accept that gracefully and not get angry at the staff running the ceremony. Thirdly, my current institution streams their ceremonies live online, and also stream them into other large rooms on campus so that people who haven't been able to get tickets can gather there, watch the ceremony (to be honest they probably get a better view than those present in the venue!) and meet up with their family straight afterwards. If your institution does this, your 'extras' could actually still see you graduate 'live' - this would probably be a better option for a very young child anyway.

The one point where I think your institution are being unreasonable is with the mention of cost - are you actually having to pay for the tickets? Ours are free, and I have never known any university where I've worked actually charge money for graduation tickets, even though numbers are restricted. It's a sad development if that's the case. I also think the buying online approach is wrong - we get students to request them electronically but there's a deadline for that and then we allocate them. It's not first-come first-served like concert tickets.

Finally, to the person who suggested outsourcing graduations to be run as a event by a private company - I simply don't think this would work, as most family members want to come but don't want to pay to attend. I would expect a lot of discontent if people were charged to attend their own graduation. But depending on whether the OP really is paying for these tickets, as opposed to simply obtaining them through an 'online shop' mechanism, maybe this is the way of the future...

Hope it all works out, anyway. Having written this mini-essay as a break from marking, I must get back to it...

FrebbieMisaGREATshag · 17/05/2013 14:48

Then the problem is your family. Not the university. And you should be taking the issue up with the right people. Confused

BusterKeaton · 17/05/2013 14:49

"In this day and age, I imagine it is very common for students to have more than two parents, not to mention spouses, and believe that it is the graduation teams responsibilty to understand and accomodate this."

No OP, only two spouses allowed at a time, even in this day and age.

OP, you will have given the recipients of your letter a good laugh.

FrebbieMisaGREATshag · 17/05/2013 14:49

I had to pay for my own ticket. Or I would have if I had gone. It included me and one guest, and additional tickets were charged as well.

givemeaclue · 17/05/2013 14:53

Oh my giddy aunt.

You didn't actually send that letter did you, including your personal medical history etc? Its cringe making.

On the bright side, it will be the best laugh they have ever had in the graduation office. It will be laminated for prosperity and put on the staff notice board.

cinnamonsugar · 17/05/2013 14:53

I imagine that no one here ever overreacts or gets upset about things that other people think are silly Hmm
Of course everyone does, but not everyone acts on their personal disappointments and upsets. People are sympathetic with your disappointment, but they are not sympathetic with the ill-thought out letter. It's better to calm down, think things through, feel sad but get some perspective and then act.

Decoy · 17/05/2013 14:54

YABU. Everyone gets the same number of tickets regardless of who they are. That's totally fair.

DisappointedGraduand · 17/05/2013 14:54

We are required to pay for our graduation tickets.

LittleFeileFooFoo · 17/05/2013 14:55

OP, I do have sympathy for you. If your graduation is very important for your whole family, then it is a bummer that they can't all attend. Especially if you're the first to get a graduation, I can see why it would be so important for your family.

I also agree that the admin of the ticket site isn't doing a very good job if they can't handle selling the actual tickets when they are available. It must be that not every graduation event is as popular or that the medical grads have to buy early, as they have other things to do.

However, I think that a family dinner/celebration is more in order and as you can certainly continue wearing your cap and gown, be just as significant as the ceremony (and way more fun).

For me, personally, the graduation event was utterly boring, and I couldn't wait to get to the personal family celebration part!

Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii · 17/05/2013 14:56

OP, I THINK YANB that U

...... But I don't think the University is being that U either.

Blimey, I am surprised at the nastiness vehemence of some posts on this thread. I do understand the OP's frustration and I do think she makes some valid points. It is a shame that one of her parents wont able to come. However, you have to draw the like somewhere.

So, I am a bit on the fence with this one...

However, OP, I think you have done amazingly well. (Medicine is hard enough without any added complications). I hope you find a lovely way to celebrate with all of your family and friends. Perhaps or of your parents could video the ceremony and you could have a showing you could then fast forward the boring bits

Good luck with the future.

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TroublesomeEx · 17/05/2013 14:57

I'm sure get upset about things that other people think are silly. I'm also sure I overreact at times.

But I don't send ridiculous letters to people on the back of it.

DisappointedGraduand · 17/05/2013 14:58

Of course everyone does, but not everyone acts on their personal disappointments and upsets. This is a fair point and the letter is out of character for me. I don't know why I sent it and I do regret it. All I can say is that I've not slept at night for a long time (18mo DD has been having a particularly bad spell), which is not an excuse rather an explanation.

rainingcatsandsprogs · 17/05/2013 14:58

Finally, to the person who suggested outsourcing graduations to be run as a event by a private company - I simply don't think this would work, as most family members want to come but don't want to pay to attend. I would expect a lot of discontent if people were charged to attend their own graduation. But depending on whether the OP really is paying for these tickets, as opposed to simply obtaining them through an 'online shop' mechanism, maybe this is the way of the future...

The only ticket I got free was my own when I graduated - I was allocated two tickets for guests but I had to pay for them, and would have had to pay if I'd managed to get any more too. The outsourcing idea would of course depend on each uni, if they tried charging and got a low enough take up then problem solved, no running out of space and no need to outsource to elsewhere. If there were still masses of people wishing to attend then the outsourcing would work well. And from this OP and past comments/experiences it appears there's already discontent from many about graduations, so a uni might as well have tickets sold and not have to personally organise the discontent.

Mumsyblouse · 17/05/2013 15:01

I think it is more outrageous you should pay for your own graduation tickets. I might write a letter about that.

MrsBungle · 17/05/2013 15:03

I do think you've had some overly harsh responses. W

Farewelltoarms · 17/05/2013 15:04

Doctor: 'It's bad news I'm afraid.'
Patient: 'the cancer's back?'
Doctor: 'oh that, I was actually thinking about thinking about the heartbreaking time I couldn't go to my graduation. But yes, the cancer is back.'
Of course I don't expect doctors to be any less selfish and silly than the rest of us. But I have this delusion that they maybe learn perspective over the many years of training.
By the way, well done you on graduating. I wouldn't have been able to pass a Cosmo quiz when I had a small baby.

MrsBungle · 17/05/2013 15:04

Posted to soon! Concentrate now on who is going to the ceremony. Sat to your parents you want them all there but not possible, maybe draw lots?! Seems crass but at least it's fair!