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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Please, I NEED to know if IABU before I take a stand with my in-laws.

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MyShoofly · 28/04/2013 23:28

I have posted about this once before several months ago but am waffling?..I will try to be as brief as possible:

My in-laws sold their house about 3 years ago (Canada). They spend about 6 months of the year snow-birding in the US where they own a trailer in a seniors community. The other 6 months they have been splitting their time with various family here in my city and in another province. They cannot stay in the US more than 6 months.

They never used to stay with us but last August they wanted to use our basement for 2 weeks. It morphed into 3 months due to medical appointments (my MIL has MS and my FIL had a minor surgery). They liked our basement and asked if when they come to our city in the future if they can stay with us again. I gather the step-sisters would move the in-laws between their houses if they had other guests which in-laws did not like. The conversation was in passing ? it would hardly count as a conversation?nothing formal. I said it was fine, expecting them to only be around 2-3 weeks here and there.

We asked them to pay us $300 a month last Sept and Oct as they were costing us a fortune in food, water and electric ? they indicated nobody else makes them pay to stay with them and seemed to think $300 steep but agreed.

They started to refer to themselves as ?living? with us and it became clear they intended to be around for much longer than I anticipated. The basement is not self-contained. They use our kitchen and come up to visit. For my taste there is a lack of space and privacy. I found their visit Aug-Oct much too long. I was unhappy and very pregnant. They were crawling all over my very last nerve and it was clear to everyone.

DH and I bickered about their presence. I believe I was very diplomatic about it but my feelings were quite clear. He simply did not see my point of view. If it were up to him they would live with us forever as one big happy family. He spoke to them but basically made it worse ? told them I was hormonal and stressed?.to wait and see how it goes on their next ?visit??that I might enjoy their help while on maternity leave with a toddler and new baby.

While they were gone DH and I spoke about this openly with each other and with DH?s sister who was entirely on my side. I thought he finally could see my point of view and that everything was settled ? that he would speak to them about their long-term living arrangements when they returned.

Now they are back. They have been here almost 2 weeks. This year they intend to stay with us for a total of about 4 months ? half of April, all of May, then Aug-mid October. They are trying to stay in the basement (and avoid me) a bit more. I am trying to be more pleasant and sociable, though I?m afraid I am forever to be thought of as their uptight DIL. I am home on maternity leave so we are around one another a good deal. It?s going fine but my feelings remain the same.

They have changed their driver?s licenses and insurance to our house. They have bought a mini fridge for the basement ? today they advised they want to chip in with us for a new guest room mattress (as if !!). I?ve had yet another argument with DH about it ? he says he spoke to them and they are going to try to maintain this snow-birding thing for another few years and will try to stay at ours for only 2.5-3ish months a year. I gather they were very vague. I told DH he needs to pin them down on the specifics and that I personally think anything over a month is not reasonable ? 2 at the absolute maximum. I told him I need a more specific plan from them. DH thinks this is all fine ? no problem. I am the unreasonable one ? these are his parents after all.

I find them utterly cheeky. If they really ?live? with us then they should offer a substantial financial contribution (it costs us 2000+bills+food to live in this house every month). They should be buying groceries and splitting housework, cooking and maintenance when they are here. As I see it, they don?t want the financial or maintenance responsibility of a house/rental and are just using us to get around paying what the majority of all adults pay ? living expenses. I totally resent it. I don?t think I should have to tell two grown adults that they are overstaying their welcome FFS.

What is too long I guess is the question?? Am I over-reacting here ? would all of you welcome family to stay for months at a time with no end in sight? One month? Two? How about Three months? Where should I draw the line?

Before I put my foot down?please let me know ? AIBU?

OP posts:
MyShoofly · 30/04/2013 00:01

Ah! Well then in that case we purchase all the bog roll around here too Smile.

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KeatsiePie · 30/04/2013 00:03

Just realized you must be in the US? (I am too.) I deduced a while back that bog roll = toilet paper Grin

I kind of feel like it's also just too intimate for them to be using your shampoo, it's a little weird that they don't bring their own toiletries. I know it's not the main point but can't be helping w/the feeling of their being fully fully moved in.

MyShoofly · 30/04/2013 00:22

We are in Canada

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KeatsiePie · 30/04/2013 00:25

Oops, read too fast! I hope the six weeks deal works out well.

MrsTerryPratchett · 30/04/2013 00:33

I must ask which side of the country you are on... There is a Western Canadian MN quiche. We meet up and have curry and tea. Grin

MyShoofly · 30/04/2013 01:16

I'm in Edmonton MrsTerry Brew

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MrsTerryPratchett · 30/04/2013 03:54

There are some Calgarians in the MN quiche. I think we are going that direction for the next major meet-up (we recently had a mini meet-up in Victoria). Are you nice because you could join us? Grin

MyShoofly · 30/04/2013 04:39

I've had it out with DH. Im too emotionally exhausted to write about it ATM....will update tomorrow.

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MidniteScribbler · 30/04/2013 04:43

OP it might be worth checking to see that them using your address doesn't have any tax or allowances implications for your family. If they are classified as living there (claiming a pension?) it may impact you even more financially. It would be worth checking out.

MyShoofly · 30/04/2013 04:44

There are some Calgarians in the MN quiche. I think we are going that direction for the next major meet-up (we recently had a mini meet-up in Victoria). Are you nice because you could join us

that sounds intriguing....I'd like to think I'm relatively nice - of course my in-laws would disagree Wink

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alwayslateforwork · 30/04/2013 05:10

I'm not a Calgarian. dh just works there. I'd have a bigger house if I was.

Point them my way. Nice trailer park, a zillion condos (just sold mine, but next door is up for sale) and everyone over fifty snowbirds. Full of tourists though.

The ils come for 6 weeks for Christmas/ January (they are big skiers and always buy their passes before we do) and then mil comes for a month in the summer. In the summer she stays with us, but when they come together, they rent an apartment.

The apartment is a new thing. They stayed with us before. We have three children and live in a 2 bed townhouse... My own dd's sleep in the basement. Grin my favourite Christmas was when we rented an apartment for them. And they insisted on staying with us.

I thought I was going to go crackers. We could have sub-let it for a fortune during Christmas week. At one point dh and I pondered going to stay in it and leaving them in our house with the kids and dogs and bedlam. Seeing as how we'd forked out 800 bucks for the privilege and all...

So, hopefully you have come to an amicable-ish agreement - these things can work out well, in the long term.

Come and join our quiche, anyway! Grin

alwayslateforwork · 30/04/2013 05:11

Oo, oo, we could go to Edmonton.

I'm supposed to be taking 30 girl guides to WEM in September. Wibble.

Ledkr · 30/04/2013 06:18

Op just remember that you are perfectly normal and reasonable not to want to spend half you life not just living with but looking after your in laws.
Perfectly normal.
I have had epic battles over mine coming to stay at inoppotune times and for at too long with no contribution or help.
Dh was like yours and too wimpy to say anything harsh enough for them not to ignore.
It's taken years but he's finally got it after a couple of incidents.
I think your dh wants to keep the peace whilst at the same time having no idea how it affects you because he's quite happy with the situation therefore sees no problem.
I can imagine how stressful its been for you to have it out with him but just remember you are right.

diddl · 30/04/2013 08:20

They are absolute freeloaders!

When you came home from a day at work they expected you to cook?

That would be bad enough-but you were pregnant also!!

Entitled much?

I think if 6wks is your limit, you should say a month-then polish your halo when/if you extend!

And doing their own washing-wow!

Bet they use your machine, water & detergent!

Hullygully · 30/04/2013 08:30
wiltingfast · 30/04/2013 08:44

God, I don't think you are unreasonable to want your home to yourself.

I do think you are unreasonable to be looking for a financial contribution for their stay. They did rear your husband. And now you want them to buy bogroll? And milk? You are just making yourself look bad PLUS (probably worse from your pt of view) they may well end up thinking the money is the issue rather than the length of their stay.

diddl · 30/04/2013 08:56

My parents brought me up.

We are currently bringing up two teens & couldn't afford to long term support two other adults as well.

I'd rather look bad than be out of pocket.

Plus these OPs ILs have sold a house-they don't need to freeload.

In fact, they could still be living in said house & not freeloading off anyone...

DontmindifIdo · 30/04/2013 08:59

Waiting for update too!

But hold your nerve on this, it's not acceptable - you said last year and this year they still haven't made alternative arrangements. I would say that you say ok to the 6 weeks this summer, but specify next year it'll be a maximum of 2 weeks in a block (although hint you'll have them for more than one 'block' of time over the who period).

Worse case - hit the nuclear option, move out with the DCs yourself - refuse to come back until DH has dealt with it...

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 30/04/2013 09:07

Sorry you and DH didn't see eye to eye, OP Sad

DontmindifIdo · 30/04/2013 09:12

BTW - My parents are in the process of doing something rather similar, they have a holiday home in France and small house in the UK, they have been visiting the French house for 6-8 weeks 2-3 times a year, but now my dad is fully retired (having done semi retirement for the last 10 years, going part time), they are going to spend most of the year in France, coming back to the UK for a couple of months at a time, particularly over winter & christmas when the area of France their house is in can get a lot of snow.

However, in order to subside their pension incomes, they've decided to rent out their UK house and mentioned they could stay with 'family' - thankfully, I'm currently pregnant, we have a 3 bed house, I will have a DC in each bedroom and one for us, we had been planning to buy a sofabed, but have shelved that plan to avoid having an option for them - although I've pointed out there's a very nice B&B round the corner for us. (My DB rather stupidly has a 4 bed house and only him and his DP live there, I think he's either going to have to have a talk with them or put up with them for months on end - there was potential an option of putting hte DCs in together so having a free room, I'm just not going to do it).

Sometimes, parents can just see their adult DCs homes as extention of their own, but it's not just my house, DH lives here too - while i'd find my parents hard work but would put up with them, I think it would be very cruel to DH to make him live with them in our not very big house, him come in from a long day at work and have to entertain - fine for two or three nights, but for two or three months? Not fair on him.

GhoulWithADragonTattoo · 30/04/2013 11:42

OP - if your DH is being so inflexible I think you might have to say that if they stay you won't. It's your house and you should be able to enjoy it.

Thumbwitch · 30/04/2013 11:47

I don't think expecting a financial contribution from your ILs would make you look bad at all.
I think currently they look bad, as freeloaders - if they were just staying a couple of weeks then no real reason they should be buying bogroll, although I would hope that they might contribute a reasonable something to the grocery bill - but for the length of time they are staying, they should DEFINITELY pay towards living there.

PatPig · 30/04/2013 12:03

Did you buy their house at market rate?

Ledkr · 30/04/2013 13:38

What a silly opinion that if your parents raise you (like most parents do) that you are somehow responsible for their living when you are grown up.
On the contrary I like to help my children when I can and expect nothing back. Ds has just bought tickets for us all to see a ballet. I paid him for the tickets as he has his own child and life to pay for.
My mum doesn't even come for a cup of tea without bringing a load if biscuits.

MrsTerryPratchett · 30/04/2013 14:24

Here is one of the meet up threads. We have a FB group so PM me fellow MNers in Western Canada and I will see if someone else will organise you joining I can get you in. For a price.

Sorry your DH didn't deal well from the sounds of it.

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