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AIBU?

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Please, I NEED to know if IABU before I take a stand with my in-laws.

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MyShoofly · 28/04/2013 23:28

I have posted about this once before several months ago but am waffling?..I will try to be as brief as possible:

My in-laws sold their house about 3 years ago (Canada). They spend about 6 months of the year snow-birding in the US where they own a trailer in a seniors community. The other 6 months they have been splitting their time with various family here in my city and in another province. They cannot stay in the US more than 6 months.

They never used to stay with us but last August they wanted to use our basement for 2 weeks. It morphed into 3 months due to medical appointments (my MIL has MS and my FIL had a minor surgery). They liked our basement and asked if when they come to our city in the future if they can stay with us again. I gather the step-sisters would move the in-laws between their houses if they had other guests which in-laws did not like. The conversation was in passing ? it would hardly count as a conversation?nothing formal. I said it was fine, expecting them to only be around 2-3 weeks here and there.

We asked them to pay us $300 a month last Sept and Oct as they were costing us a fortune in food, water and electric ? they indicated nobody else makes them pay to stay with them and seemed to think $300 steep but agreed.

They started to refer to themselves as ?living? with us and it became clear they intended to be around for much longer than I anticipated. The basement is not self-contained. They use our kitchen and come up to visit. For my taste there is a lack of space and privacy. I found their visit Aug-Oct much too long. I was unhappy and very pregnant. They were crawling all over my very last nerve and it was clear to everyone.

DH and I bickered about their presence. I believe I was very diplomatic about it but my feelings were quite clear. He simply did not see my point of view. If it were up to him they would live with us forever as one big happy family. He spoke to them but basically made it worse ? told them I was hormonal and stressed?.to wait and see how it goes on their next ?visit??that I might enjoy their help while on maternity leave with a toddler and new baby.

While they were gone DH and I spoke about this openly with each other and with DH?s sister who was entirely on my side. I thought he finally could see my point of view and that everything was settled ? that he would speak to them about their long-term living arrangements when they returned.

Now they are back. They have been here almost 2 weeks. This year they intend to stay with us for a total of about 4 months ? half of April, all of May, then Aug-mid October. They are trying to stay in the basement (and avoid me) a bit more. I am trying to be more pleasant and sociable, though I?m afraid I am forever to be thought of as their uptight DIL. I am home on maternity leave so we are around one another a good deal. It?s going fine but my feelings remain the same.

They have changed their driver?s licenses and insurance to our house. They have bought a mini fridge for the basement ? today they advised they want to chip in with us for a new guest room mattress (as if !!). I?ve had yet another argument with DH about it ? he says he spoke to them and they are going to try to maintain this snow-birding thing for another few years and will try to stay at ours for only 2.5-3ish months a year. I gather they were very vague. I told DH he needs to pin them down on the specifics and that I personally think anything over a month is not reasonable ? 2 at the absolute maximum. I told him I need a more specific plan from them. DH thinks this is all fine ? no problem. I am the unreasonable one ? these are his parents after all.

I find them utterly cheeky. If they really ?live? with us then they should offer a substantial financial contribution (it costs us 2000+bills+food to live in this house every month). They should be buying groceries and splitting housework, cooking and maintenance when they are here. As I see it, they don?t want the financial or maintenance responsibility of a house/rental and are just using us to get around paying what the majority of all adults pay ? living expenses. I totally resent it. I don?t think I should have to tell two grown adults that they are overstaying their welcome FFS.

What is too long I guess is the question?? Am I over-reacting here ? would all of you welcome family to stay for months at a time with no end in sight? One month? Two? How about Three months? Where should I draw the line?

Before I put my foot down?please let me know ? AIBU?

OP posts:
SugarMiceInTheRain · 30/04/2013 14:31

Another one here just gobsmacked by their cheek. How can they be so thick-skinned and feel ok about freeloading off family for such long periods of time? When my mum or dad & stepmum or FIL visit they always insist on treating us. And my mum will go out and do a massive grocery shop and fill our fridge before she leaves. Angry on your behalf MyShoofly. Sorry it doesn't seem to have gone down well with your DH. Hope you're ok.

Jacksmania · 30/04/2013 14:41

Western Canada MNer quiche organizer here :)
PM me and I'll add you to the group!

MooseBeTimeForSpring · 30/04/2013 15:11

Hello MyShoofly

I'm one of the Western Canada Mumsnetters. I live just up the road in Fort McMurray!

alwayslateforwork · 30/04/2013 15:25
outtolunchagain · 30/04/2013 16:06

Patpig the parents sold their house to someone else not to the OP , but now they are not buying another but staying with relatives at the relatives expense so they can spend their capital on travelling in the summer months . Or at least that's how I think it works .

PatPig · 30/04/2013 16:31

oh, oops I thought they had bought the p-i-l's house.

in that case tell them to fuck off.

shewhowines · 30/04/2013 16:41

6 weeks is a good compromise IMO. Stick to your gums.

Ikea do a mini kitchen in a cupboard type thing.(sink/electric ring/cupboards). Can IL pay to have that plumbed in? Pay for a toilet/shower room? so they can be completely self contained?

It's not up to you to fund it though. They would need to (see it as their contribution to household costs). They should also be funding their own food/expenses.

ChickensHaveNoEyebrows · 30/04/2013 16:59
EldritchCleavage · 30/04/2013 17:00

Thinking of you, OP.

All I can say re your DH is that it is really important for everyone that you do not all drift into your PIL's end-of-life (or end-of-independence) years without a plan, and if DH is not careful that is exactly what will happen.

JustinBsMum · 30/04/2013 17:22

All I can say re your DH is that it is really important for everyone that you do not all drift into your PIL's end-of-life (or end-of-independence) years without a plan, and if DH is not careful that is exactly what will happen

Hear, Hear!

CruCru · 30/04/2013 17:49

Bring your courage to the sticking point. You can't put up with this bullshit for another 20 years.

MyShoofly · 30/04/2013 18:51

Thanks guys

So I hashed it out with DH. I politely listened while he told me that from his perspective he is happy to have his parents stay with us as long or as short a period of time as they like for as long into the future as they like. I politely listened while he told me that he is offended at my attitude toward their staying with us and that he is struggling to see my point of view and understand what my issue is. Then, and this part was fun, he told me he doesn't understand how I can be in a caring profession and not support his desire to help out his parents. Also, he would like our sons to want to help us out when we are seniors. Hmm

After asking him if he had anything else to say on the subject as I was unwilling to have this conversation again, I pretty much lost the plot on him. I told him that he moved him parents into our house without ever asking me my opinion. That nobody seems to care that I am not happy with the situation. That I have told him quite clearly in countless polite discussions that I am not okay with his parents staying with us for months on end. I told him that nevermind his parents - he is the problem. He could have dealt with this last year and his unwillingness to manage the problem has only made it worse.

I told him that he has grossly misrepresented me to his parents. That this is not about laundry or them staying the basement more or my dislike for them (since I don't) and that the first thing he needs to do is take some responsibility for making me the bad guy. That his parents and I are going to end up despising each other because he doesn't have the guts to just be honest with them.

I told him that he is a total hypocrite for seeing how he wouldn't want my parents to stay with us but can't imagine why I would have similar issues with his parents staying with us.

I told him that this is NOT an emergency situation. His parents are healthy, capable and have the financial means to support themselves. If this WAS an emergency than I would expect that all of the siblings to come together to work out a plan for managing. I told him that I find it ridiculous that they are hoisting themselves on the youngest of their combined 6 children, the ones with the youngest family and the least resources. I told him he needs to get a grip - nobody is kicking them out on the street FFS. They can stay the summer as planned and will have all told a whole year to sort something else out.

I reiterated that even his own sister has come here and spoken to him and supported my view on the situation and that I am not going to be made to feel like I am some horrible asshole for not wanting to share my house for the indefinate future.

He apologized and told me he would take care of it.

Well, we will see. He seemed a bit embarassed by his behaviour and agreed with all of my points. So I am hopeful this will be the end of it.

OP posts:
UnrequitedSkink · 30/04/2013 18:54

Wow! Go OP! I'm glad you managed to remember all those points, did you have a list? Wink

HullMum · 30/04/2013 18:54

good! and if he doesn't do it, you do it!

JamieandtheMagicTorch · 30/04/2013 18:55

Bloody good OP

gonerogue · 30/04/2013 18:59

Wow OP that was a great list of points, and I'm glad that your DH seems to have taken them on board. You are completely in he right here, I would hate my ILs to spend longer than two nights so you are a saint.

Plus the point about him not wanting to do the same for your parents is so valid.

DontmindifIdo · 30/04/2013 19:03

yay to you! hopefully he's going to sort it asap.

whois · 30/04/2013 19:17

Good for you OP! Hope things work out x

Ledkr · 30/04/2013 19:23

Well done.
That's just it really HE is okay with it because they are HIS parents he has known them all his life and grown up with them.
YOU have not.
If he enjoys loving with them so much maybe he would like to be at home more while you go out to work.
Let's hope he sticks to his guns.
Would be interesting to know if their parents did similar.
After spoiling my homecoming with dd2 I asked mil if her pil were staying at hers when she had her dc."oh god no" says mil "I wanted to just be on our own" Hmm

diddl · 30/04/2013 19:35

Gosh-well done-hope he takes it on board.

They have 6 kids-so that max one month each??!!Wink

YellowTulips · 30/04/2013 19:40

Well done OP, sounds like you played it magnificently! Thanks

Lets hope DH follows through - if not I think we might have to form a MN Posse!

GettingObsessive · 30/04/2013 19:41

Well done OP. This is absolutely OUTRAGEOUS behaviour on the part of your PIL and your DH is equally culpable for allowing them to do this and totally failing to take your feelings on the matter into consideration.

Quite apart from the money issue (which is, quite frankly, unbelievable jut on its own) it is quite out of the question that you should be imposed on in this manner. I totally understand why you don't want them there all the time, even if they "stay in the basement more". Just the fact that you know they are there in the house would make me permenantly on edge.

YANBU and I will tell them so myself if it would help!!

Hullygully · 30/04/2013 19:47

You may need to say it another few times, I bet...

verytellytubby · 30/04/2013 19:51

Jesus. I couldn't imagine anything worse!

I can't believe people sell their house and freeload.

Well done for talking to your DH.

Thumbwitch · 30/04/2013 19:54

OH well done! Fantastic job there - but I'm afraid I agree with Hully that this won't be the end of it.

How bloody selfish of him to not even try to see it from your point of view, only from his own and his parents. He's not seeing you as partner in his life, just someone who must follow blindly what he wants - not on.

Really really hope that it gets sorted, even if it involves calling a full family conference to do so.

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