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To send this arsey email to DSs head teacher?

211 replies

Cookethenook · 29/03/2013 11:18

Dear x,
I hope you're enjoying the start of the Easter Holidays and making the most of your well earned break!

I have a bit of a complaint I'm afraid, regarding a story that Ds was told in an assembly the other day. It involved a man taking his son to work with him and the child getting stuck in a piece of machinery that operated a bridge. This resulted in the man having to make the very difficult decision between saving his son and saving a train full of people. Ds then went on to describe the fact that God had thought that the man had done the right thing by saving the train instead of his son.

I have to say, myself and my other half were really shocked by this!

I feel it's a very very adult moral dilemma to be telling ks1 children about, let alone totally despicable that in the 21st century people still feel it appropriate to put 'the fear of God' into children. I understand that the story was trying to teach a lesson about the greater good, but I have no idea why it had to be set in such a horrific situation, nor why God had to enter into it at all- surely it is better to teach children to have strong morals because THEY think it's the right thing to do, not because of what a God tells them?

Im not usually one for belittling a child's emotional intelligence, but the love that a parent has for a child is something a young child couldn't possibly comprehend. I felt that the story was completely inappropriate for the age of the children in this respect and Ds seemed quite concerned that we wouldn't save him if we were in a similar situation.

One of the main reasons we chose to move Ds from his old school was because of the fact it was c of e and being humanists, we felt that the Church of England does not teach equality or inclusion (equal marriage rights and women's rights to name a few). Now, I realise that all schools have to include collective acts of worship into their curriculum and that we have the right to withdraw Ds from them if we wish but we have not done so previously as DS enjoys Christian worship and we didn't want him to feel singled out. It would be very disappointing if we did have to withdraw him, but I really don't feel comfortable with him feeling that bad things will happen if he doesn't follow God's word.

Kind regards
Cooke

I hope it's clear from the email what exactly happened. We were so shocked when DS told us in the car this morning. He really is quite fearless, but the story did seem to have confused and shocked him quite a bit. I'm not surprised tbh, if the story was a film, it would not be suitable for under 7's.

I don't feel we're overreacting about this (although I'm sure there will be those who disagree!), but is this ok to send? Anything that I should take out? I did end up having a bit if a rant, so it might not be totally coherent or relevant. I'm also not sure how to end it.

Argh, I'm so angry!

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RenterNomad · 29/03/2013 21:02

Ooops. Despite having had a relatively Establishment education and upbringing, I missed the possible Easter/Abraham anf Isaac parallel, but am not really ashamed because it's pretty bloody well disguised.

As I said, it can't be a dilemma for a child, only for an adult. And if it is the Easter story, God Himself was the father; there was no external authority reassuring Him that it was the right thing to do (so a private and thankless dilemma). A more appropriate parallel might be a father who allows his son to make a fool of himself and fail spectacularly in order to save others (a pity Hitler's pater couldn't have arranged this: that would be an excellent morality tale). Or the father of a dangerous/ antisocial drug addict, practising "tough love" and saving people from his son's crazy driving. Such fathers would also benefit from getting their sons "back home", safeand sound and chastened.

Still totally inappropriate for, and useless to, primary school children. Utter twat of a vicar.

ClayDavis · 29/03/2013 21:04

It might normally be used as a moral dilemma but in this case I think it was used to illustrate the Easter story. The OP's son was told a story about sacrificing his son to save the life of others and being praised by God for it. At any other time of the year it might pass as a moral tale but in the week leading up to Easter it is almost certainly an allegorical tale about God sacrificing his own son to save others.

WorrySighWorrySigh · 29/03/2013 21:07

StressyBessy22 we are a family of devout atheists & DCs are teenage. For us the easter break is a public holiday followed by a weekend followed by another public holiday with added chocolate. We all enjoy the break and we all enjoy the chocolate.

For me a vicar is just some bloke and in this case telling a highly inappropriate story.

VinegarDrinker · 29/03/2013 21:16

Firmly on the OP'S side here.

FWIW I mentioned it to my Mum - who is a vicar and ex Early Years teacher (and does weekly assemblies) and she was horrified. She said unfortunately a lot of her fellow vicars have absolutely no idea about children and age-appropriateness.

I am also surprised a vicar was invited into a non religious school in the first place. Do they get other faith leaders in to tell confusing allegories at the times of other major festivals too?

Welovegrapes · 29/03/2013 21:20

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stella1w · 29/03/2013 21:21

It doesn't work as a retelling of the easter story. It is highly inappropriate. And it is stupid because parents are biologically programmed to save their kids. So there is no dilemma at all. If you are going to give kids a dilemma, give one they can relate to. Years ago a temp re teacher said, what would you do if you moved schools and the only person who would be friends with you would only do so if you stole. I wrote that i would steal some chocolate and the overpay the next time. The teacher was very worried about me.

VinegarDrinker · 29/03/2013 21:33

grapes I'll ask her but will prob be tomorrow, now. From my POV it would depend on a) whether you even know who the vicar is b) how comfortable you are approaching him/her. I agree the HT has overall responsibility but it would be a bit difficult for him/her to wade in mid story!

Welovegrapes · 29/03/2013 21:40

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baconbutty · 29/03/2013 21:59

I am a teacher. I definitely don't think you are being unreasonable and am shocked by how many people think this is ok. Agree with previous post though, I would aim complaint to vicar with copy to head.

MickeyTheShortOne · 29/03/2013 22:10

i'm with angelico on this. i think this story is totally inappropriate- i can understand what the vicar ws trying to get across but id much rather DD was told the crucifixion story.. at least she can then make up her own mind as to wether its true or not. i would complain, although i would be more inclined to discuss with ht over the phone. email is good in essentials but dont make it waffley. x

as an aside to that, i think that is a good thing that RE is compulsory. in most schools its not taught in a way that is shoved down DCs throats, so its up to them wether to believe it or not, but it does at least teach them to be tolerant and respectful of those that DO believe it, and why.

WorrySighWorrySigh · 29/03/2013 22:23

Mickey, I am happy for my DCs to be taught to be tolerant and respectful of those who have faith so long as people of faith are taught to be tolerant and respectful of those who have no faith. Having faith does not make people special.

I would aim the complaint at the head as the head is responsible for what goes on in the school. It might make the head think about who he allows to speak at an assembly in future.

twolittlemonkeys · 29/03/2013 22:23

I agree it was an inappropriate story to tell children, though I have heard that many times in church services so my kids will have overheard it though probably weren't paying much attention Grin It wouldn't surprise me if the vicar just didn't think about the age- appropriateness of the allegory. My sons go to a CofE school and when they go to the local church for a special service, the vicar comes out with some bonkers stuff. At Christmas, she made a massive deal out of the fact that Mary was not married to Joseph and kept going on and on about the social stigma, 'Can you imagine the shame..,?' etc etc. The children were just looking at her like this Confused The parents were sitting there thinking she was crackers for really focussing on the wrong bit of the Christmas story!

Cathycat · 29/03/2013 23:00

Not age appropriate at all. I am sure that the head teacher will agree with you, so yes I would email the vicar and cc the head or ask the head if he / she was aware that this story was told.

cumfy · 30/03/2013 02:58

I can just see the DM headlines:

Vicar's Easter Message:
Murder Your Children

[bugrin]

RenterNomad · 30/03/2013 09:40

[bugrin] at cumfy's Easter Message

ToffeeWhirl · 30/03/2013 10:17

Stressybessy - "Do you let your Dc stuff themselves silly with Easter eggs without even telling them the meaning of the Easter feast?"

Err...yes.

seeker · 30/03/2013 10:19

"Stressybessy - "Do you let your Dc stuff themselves silly with Easter eggs without even telling them the meaning of the Easter feast?"

I have no problem with my children knowing the meaning of the Easter feast- but as far as I know, there isn't either a bridge or a train involved..........

HesterShaw · 30/03/2013 10:51

Since when was "stuffing themselves silly" a synonym for "eating"?

As far as I was aware chocolate eggs have nothing at all to do the Christian Easter story. They might be seen to have something to do with spring - chicks, eggs, new life etc. Nothing to do with a ressurection.

theroseofwait · 30/03/2013 10:52

The thing that really annoys me about these threads, as a Christian and someone who has taught a lot of secondary RE in her time, is that the people frothing about their children being visited by a vicar are usually the first ones giving out the Christmas presents and chocolate eggs.

I wouldn't dream of celebrating Eid or Divali, although I would be an interested onlooker. As for the story, the first thing that came to mind when I read the OP was Abraham's test, did the vicar absolutely make no mention of the boy escaping? If you are not Christian and think it a silly story, then why not put your DS right, in your opinion and move on?

I had the reverse last week when my DS came home having obviously looked at the Easter story with an atheist. I corrected a small part of what he was telling me in terms of basic Christian belief, DS took it on board and that was the end of it.

seeker · 30/03/2013 10:57

"I had the reverse last week when my DS came home having obviously looked at the Easter story with an atheist. I corrected a small part of what he was telling me in terms of basic Christian belief, DS took it on board and that was the end of it."

How do you know he looked at it with an atheist?

theroseofwait · 30/03/2013 11:00

Seeker- because any Christian would know about ascension day.

HesterShaw · 30/03/2013 11:00

Still no one has said what chocolate eggs have to do with the crucifixion and ressurection.

I will eat chocolate eggs at this time of year if I please, as will my family. They have nothing to do with christianity.

HesterShaw · 30/03/2013 11:01

Jesus didn't eat chocolate eggs and nor did the apostles.

zwischenzug · 30/03/2013 11:04

I will eat chocolate eggs at this time of year if I please, as will my family. They have nothing to do with christianity.

Neither does Christmas, a festival hijacked from other (pagan?) origins..

Moominsarehippos · 30/03/2013 11:08

Weird choice of story! I would mention it if you really feel that your son was disturbed by it but I'd focus more on speaking to him about the story and how he feels about it. Poor kid! I'd have wet myself at his age!

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