Angry another attack on sahm mum!

[mam29]

I was worried about new childcare arrangements and its got high limit earn up to 150k but both parents have to be working.

Im guessing from this article the current childcare voucher scheme being phased out

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21833929

where exactly are these term time jobs and cheap flexible childcare.

where are all these jobs that dont seem to require person to be fully flexible.

had 1st in 2006 went back full time when she was one in 2007.
fulltime place 52weeks nursery was 9000 a year you can claim relief up to 6k.

used vouchers

quit work after no 2 used vouchers for preschool education who had reduced to 1day a week doing nursery.

child no 2 started 1day a week from 18months and nursery been really good for her development. its £40 a day so 160 on 4week month.

husband used couchers as he works fulltime saves us a little.

child 2 now gets 15hour funding which helps.

was hoping to start child no 3 and use childcare vouchers now looks like cant do that and might have to wait until fnding term after 3rd birthday which think is bit late.

To make matters worse child no 2 has september birthday so missed this sept school year by 16days so have year extra paying childcare.

we lucky we dident lose child benefit as at moment we below 50k
we lost £10 a week childcare tax credits last april.

feel sorry for sahm mum whos husnand earns over 50k loses cb and now childcare vouchers yet they say preschool education is important and good for educational outcomes.

we very much feeling squeezed middle tonight as we just about get by each month as we privatly rent too.

SPB, because a working parent is paying tax and a SAHP isnt. Please dont lets count other people paying tax on your 'behalf'.

I am old... My children span a large gap. When I had my first in the mists of time there was no help. I went back to work full time while dc1 was 12 weeks. That was because the £152 I contributed after costs was needed to pay bills and to live. I have had more children and have worked full time, part time and currently 32 hours a week (not sure what that is!). Over the time span I have had my children I have seen a culture of 'entitlement' grow. I do not want to go back to dc1 days when there was no help but I support any system that benefits 2 working parents.

I agree that a gov giving some sort of tax relief on commuting costs could be onto a winner.

wales were jammy

Maisiejoe - my DH doesn't put his hand out. I do, as a taxpayer same as you, to give him a break for a few hours a week and keep him well enough most of the time. It helps me keep my job and keep paying those lovely taxes. Same as it helps you keep your job. The difference is what exactly?

Sonnet - I am oldish too... And yes, I agree there is a sense of entitlement to make your choices and allow 'someone' else to pay for them.

But most Sahps are within families where tax is being paid. Sometimes more tha. Dual worker families

I dont know why they work funnily enough I dont ask,

but theres huge shortage of jobs,

noticed pecking order of jobs too.

As I said retail is mostly unsociable hours low national min wage pay few benefits.

cleaners and dinner ladies-mostly again lower sociio economic groups.

classroom assistants mostly middle class homeowners , nice car wealthy husbands they work to keep them occupied.

Public sector part time no skilled jobs ie care/porter better pay and benefits at least.

skilled public sector workers nurses /teachers.

Lot of professional jobs do allow mum to go back part time after kids and still get fairly good wage pro rata.

I couldent be a part time store manager so gave it up,

many mums cant afford to retrain as courses so pricey and now no support with chidl care.

I reckon this means that the ones at the lower end will always be in lower paid non skilled jobs its so much harder in uk these days to move up.

Like I hate george osbourne says its quite likly if sahm rents they its impossible to get on housing ladder even if her husband earns reasonably decent amount.

Sahm mums are not attacking working mums for working.

what we attacking is governenmentspolicy of giving those on very high wages help its senseless if we so broke and all in this together which clearly we not as this thread demonstrates.

Sorry gaelic- give who a break? All parents would love some time to do their own things, whether that be going to have a coffee in peace to doing the supermarket shopping without constantly checking the kids. Surely you arent suggesting that we pay people to have a little rest....

And how does that help me keep my job.

I've lost count of the number of times I have stated that my DH is ill. You ate being needlessly unpleasant and really quite dense.

Yes, SPBindisguise, my dh pays loads of tax. We don't begrudge it at all. However, we are a family unit. Why can't the tax system recognise this? After all, I can't claim any benefits due to his salary, so why can't he off set my tax allowance against his salary?

Anyway, I'm off to do the washing up, as this particular SAHM has done bugger all today

Childcare vouchers presumably help you keep your job Maisiejoe.

I think this family unit and what is a family unit could be the reason why no government could offer it. In previous generations children generally came within marriage. Now your boyfriend/partner could be someone you met last night and the divorce rate is so high that it would be impossible to manage it.

And gaelic - I am sorry about your DH but I cannot remember all of your posts in great detail. All I can do is put my point of view across which is clearly not the same as yours but there is no need to accuse me of being bitter and unhappy because I dont agree with you.....

Mam29 I would actually pay to have your lifestyle, it sounds lovely. Kids at nursery, planning for baby number 3, time to go to the gym - as I say, I would pay money for that, I certainly wouldn't expect someone to subsidise me having it!

I'm a single parent who works, I have no help from family. And contrary to what your moaning post about how busy you are seems to imply, the fairies don't come and do all my shopping/cooking/cleaning while I'm at work. I do it, after the kids are asleep. On my own. And very tiring it is too.

I hate this government as much as anyone, and the system is unfair in many ways, but the bottom line is that you have it easy. So enjoy it.

Actually at the beginning I didnt have any childcare vouchers. It was a fraction of the costs so therefore it didnt help me keep my job.... And now I dont use them. My children are too old for childcare.

I am fighting for those it will affect. It is the right way forward.

This government have certainly done a splendid job of divide and conquer

Same here maisiejoe
I see my younger colleagues and how bloody difficult it is for them.

Oh blimey I missed that it was Mam29 who said she had no time to herself after the cooking, cleaning and the gym (!!) Lucky her!

Wish I had time to go to the gym.....Have you seen gym prices... And we couldnt afford to have Baby 3....

You are very vociferous in your criticosm of SAHMs and you list in great detail things you perceive they can do which you cannot. I don't blame you for being envious. I am often envious of DH until I remember his life as a SAHD is much harder as mine, even in a demanding job.
The thing that has seriously wound me up is the total failure to realise that a small amount of money can sometimes really help someone climb out of a situation where they do NOT wish to stay at home long term. And worse, the outrage expressed by some people that anyone should be given any help at all to achieve something that they themselves already have ie a job.

I am not planning no3.

I have 3kids youngest 2 in 2weeks time.

I dont go gym so you mixing me up with someone else.
I dont have any disposble income apart from child benefit which funds kids clothesm school dinners, hobbies ect,

My husand works so many hours its just me,
no family help

I did wonder maisie how you manage school pickups, school activities in days ie church, plays, and helped with homework then I read you send yours to boarding school at your cost but you dont have the same worries when working.

Dont all private schools have charitble status?

Are you referring to me Gaelic? Where on earth I have said I am envious of SAHP's??

I could of course give up work. However we then wouldnt be able to afford the house, private education etc. Our choice. And actually I do like working, I like the independance it gives me and having financially contributed to the house. There are some downsides such as not being able to attend the various school meetings, driving the kids to friends houses etc but we have managed. There are a few working mothers and they are on my speed dial and I am on their's.

I definitely can't afford to go to the gym. Haven't been since 2002!. Didn't like it then much to be honest

Gaelic- you seem obsessed with believing that WOHM are envious of those without jobs.
Why do you find it so hard to accept that not everyone feels the same as you?
Clearly you feel that your j

Gaelic I could see your point if SAHMs wanted help with child care while they were training for a career, or going in job interviews etc. But I know many SAHMs and most of them spend their child-free time shopping, doing housework, and generally managing household issues, which working mums have to fit in around their jobs, with the kids in tow. And most of them manage to find some time to go to the gym, meet friends, go clothes shopping - activities that many working mums simply have to sacrifice.

I dont know many who can affird gym and find the time.

I havent seen anyone say that apart from maisie who appeared to read it somewhere or maybe over exagerate the story for extra effect to anger people.

we make significant financial sacrafice being one income.

School run takes me hour each way with toddlers in tow.
we shop adlis/lidls
daughter takes mostly packed lunch.
I biy lots 2nd habnd stuff and sell on stuff they outgrown or sometimes give stuff away to people who need it.