To think it is ridiculous that a woman with 11 kids is getting a £400,000 house for nowt

[angelos02]

Especially when most working people couldn't never afford to live somewhere costing that much?
Link: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2280385/Home-fit-dole-queen-Mother-11-gets-BRAND-NEW-400-000-house-built-council-shes-struggling-current-homes.html

I will be honest HoHo and say I don't know. I am not a social worker. I threw out the word support and I frankly haven't a clue what I mean, because I don't know what can be done to prevent this kind of unhappy situation.

I would like to see the children being enabled to have opportunities so they do not end up in the same mess. A good education, but more importantly than that the opportunity to be exposed to better things - trips out, cultural experiences, sports coaching, anything frankly that would make them yearn for something better and be inspired to work for it. And no I don't know how it would be paid for or implemented, I'm just throwing out ideas.

But since you're asking, that's what I meant.

Blimey, make up your minds. On one hand, People arent defending her cos we hate our misreable lifes and are just seething with jealousy.

Now its because we all have perfect, sheltered lives our smug ivory towers.

redwing shall I say this real slow 'cos you seem to be struggling.

No one here is not in favour of a welfare state. No one here wants a return to the workhouse or kids on the streets. What some of us DO want is a sane, fair and reasonable benefits system that supports but does not reward and that encourages but does not entrap. A system that does not allow the non working to enjoy a lifestyle denied the working. A system that incentivises work.That is all.

There seems to be a mixture of the two on this thread Angelfootprints

Both attitudes are evident on this thread Angel

AuntMaud - NOT AT 14 SHE DIDN'T

And yes her life probably fell apart after that, would't yours? Pregnant at 14 to a 23 year old?? Perhaps she received no counselling to allow her to deal with the abuse.

What do you want from her? Sack cloth and ashes?
What will make you happy? Her children wearing hair shirts? Her head shaved and paraded through the streets with 'WHORE' painted on her chest?

Be thankful for what you have, count your blessings that your children will probably have so much more in terms of aspirations and role models and have a little bit of compassion for her and her children. Please.

I think Gaelic speaks sense

*I don't accept that all women ARE free ...or treated equally ...or are allowed to control their own fertility always - no - sorry

here in the real world things are more complex*

What are you saying Gordy? That she was denied the free contraception and abortion all women are entitled to?

Auntmaud - does that mean, I presume, that if this woman was working nights to bring in a pittance that would be OK? Or if, as I said before, she presented the State with a huge childcare bill so she could go and earn a crust, that would be OK would it?

I mean, to hell with the real cause of this. To hell with the welfare of her children. As long as she is seen to be "doing something", however pointless, that's OK, you'll ignore her and go pick on someone else.

Thanks gaelic - I could definitely see how your definitions of support could help but unfortunately I don't have much faith in our society, education system or any systems to carry them out successfully. I think the government has given up too, cutting benefits seems their one and only approach to this problem and unfortunately it is affecting the wrong bunch of people.

I grew up on a council estate and there were four 4 bed houses in our street, all the families in them had 13 and 15 kids (babies to teens), all four homes, all the kids did just fine growing up split between the three bedrooms with lots of bunkbeds and the parents had the smallest room (about 10x 10) Building such a huge house for her is ridiculous.

HoHo - I have no faith either. I am living in a dream world if I think any of what suggested would actually happen. Not least because I can imagine the outcry.

Boney - but if she hadn't been preyed upon by a 23 year old at 13/14 who knows what her life would have been? Maybe she wouldn't have then chosen to have another 10 children. Getting pregnant at 14 isn't an isolated event, it effected the rest of her life funnily enough, so yes, stopping 23 year olds from preying on 13 yr olds may well have helped rather a lot.

I'm still getting nowhere am I?

I wish you all goodnight, whether we agree or not I hope your lives (and mine!) are more peaceful than this lady's.

No - that personal relationships are complex and 'choice' doesn't exist in a vacuum - and again - why should she terminate her pregnancies to keep the welfare police happy - that is a very unpleasant ideal

if life was simple it would be brilliant - but it isn't it can be gritty and complex and changeable and hard

people die, men leave, promises are broken - non of us know what the future holds and non of us know how or why each other her children where concieved

if you think women in the UK are universally free and have 100% personal choice in their lives always you are wrong

ncnc are you being deliberately obtuse? Did you not read where I have said at least twice now, that no one is advocating rags and workhouses but that a MIDDLE GROUND should be sought? Or do you agree that we should keep on throwing money at people?.
Oh, and I'll save my compassion for the women who can only afford to have two children despite yearning for a third. Or the families who are worried sick about this month's mortgage or rent payments . Or the child of a family I know who have to sell her pony because they simply can't afford it and she is beyond heartbroken. If that's alright with you.

Those poor kids :( They're just meal tickets, just numbers.

damn right squinkies ...which is why 'they' aren't building it 'for her'

anyone seen the brick wall

I am off to watch Utopia - who knows I may bump into a few posters from here - the premise is certainly one that would go down well

BlackMaryJanes - meal tickets to what exactly? A life of luxury? Yeah, sure looks like it. I so wish I had her life

I get it now it's the old 'equality of misery' argument - because X had to sell her pony Y should be forced to live in a hovel with 14 kids in one room - makes sense now

cheese is not the same as deckchairs so stop trying to compare the two

if things are so bad maybe they could move into social housing and live the goat filled dream

nite all x

AM - Middle ground, yep that's a 6 bed house surely? There are 12 of them.

OK, I'm obviously being obtuse, what amount of bedrooms would you deem ok then?

NcNcNcNc

But you don't know that she was being "preyed upon". Saying it over and over again does not make it true.

And giving this woman a victim status really does nothing to help her cause either.

Perhaps if every kid she had were taken into care (from the start) she may have exercised some control over her ovaries. (Better for the children too).

gaelicsheep

As many have pointed out, most people can only dream of a house that big. Some hard working families don't even have a garden.

wow at all the 'high and fucking mighty we are perfect and never balls our lives up' posts on this thread.

There aren't whole streets full of families with 11 kids FFS, this is one woman who has had the shittest of lives and has been thrown to the lions by the Daily Hate.