To think it is ridiculous that a woman with 11 kids is getting a £400,000 house for nowt

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Especially when most working people couldn't never afford to live somewhere costing that much?
Link: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2280385/Home-fit-dole-queen-Mother-11-gets-BRAND-NEW-400-000-house-built-council-shes-struggling-current-homes.html

Its interesting what Amber is saying about cultural poverty. Their morals are mixed up, they look to a young lad to give them affection leading often to a baby because they didnt bother with birth control, why would they? They sadly have no where else to go. They will never be waiting to start uni or to do a gap year, its just not part of their lives so they are caught in a vicious trap and you then have children having children and it goes on and on.

And why does the UK have the highest teen pregnancy rate in Europe?

Do wonder if the hostels (tin hat at the ready) is an answer. A place where young girls would be taught to look after their child not placed in sink estate to sink further.

I dont mean workhouses (if some are just about to jump in!) but safe places where you can learn a trade, with plenty of mentors and guidance to find your place in life. Otherwise our teen pregnancy rate will never change.

Nancy no I do not know her, I just think its unfair for posters to claim that her kids will grow up to be the same etc. and you are right regarding her neighbours comments, I just think that it's unfair as soon as benefits and mother are mentioned in the same sentence, then bad mother closely follows. There are many families on benefits who have no way out, carers, disabled etc etc I just think people often feel bad enough about there situation without being hounded. She has these kids now, should she refuse them a nice home if one is being offered.
I don't need to personally know someone to have a bit of compassion for them that's one thing my hard upbringing taught me.

Chatty I trully hope hard times, illness, unemployment, disability or just bad luck never come along and burst your bubble but with your opinion karma just might.

I agree op, even though te socialist majority on here don't. Why should we go out to work so that people like her can keep popping out kids without taking responsibility. Put a cork in it!

Capping benefits on a certain amount of children might be th answer

Fanjo, nice to see you back

maisiejoe123

That was not my post sorry! I was badly quoting countrykitten

Maisie I do actually agree that this woman has made some bad choices but just feel we don't know her whole story to make judgement. I also agree that 3 bed council properties should only be available and that benefits should be capped, however I feel that as these kids are already here they deserve a chance. I agree however that there is a fine line between helping people like this family because they are here and encouraging other.

I also think everyone on benefit should have to do something when their kids reach nursery age, while a child is in nursery the parent should have to work even voluntary or should have to enrolled in training, even open or distance learning, everyone should be bettering themselves as best they can.

For instance this lady when her youngest starts school should be employed to keep her newly built area litter free etc etc

Do wonder if the hostels (tin hat at the ready) is an answer. A place where young girls would be taught to look after their child not placed in sink estate to sink further

I dont mean workhouses (if some are just about to jump in!) but safe places where you can learn a trade, with plenty of mentors and guidance to find your place in life. Otherwise our teen pregnancy rate will never change

How will that affect pregnancy rates though? unless you are suggesting it has a punative element, in which case the whole workhouse bit isnt far off?

Maisie we have a teenage parents hostel in my area where lots of support goes in to looking at the future and work etc. Some of the Mums have not enjoyed education for varying reasons and its good to get them back into education with an emphasis on practical issues.
Would like to see more schemes like it tbh as it's successful.

To reassure people it isn't a punitive place.....it's about enabling people to make the best of their lives.

Sorry only posted half a thread.

By making people take responsibility for there own areas home etc builds confidence and skills. If this is not suitable she should have to do an adult learning course( these can be done at home, at different levels) so new excuse

Given she had her first child at 14, I wonder how much education she got? I doubt she has GCSEs.

It's also worth pointing out with regard to the OP that cases like this are very rare....thankfully. I have only met me such family in 20 years of community practice.

Jake is talking sense. Teach practical tasks, provide mentors and support. Show them there isnt just one way.

Thank goodness this woman is unusual, and also to agree to talk to a newspaper and have pictures of your run down garden littered with rubbish.... She is going to wreck her new place. I dont care how poor you are (and she isnt!) surely you would tidy up before you allowed a national newspaper into your home and she has been very stupid allowing herself to be photographed.

There is no way to deal with people who keep getting pregnant that isn't unspeakably draconian. I'm not wild about supporting people who have never worked and had far more children than I but that's the way that goes. Compulsory contraception, abortion, adoption or celibacy are all horrible tyrannical ideas and short of those there is no way to stop people reproducing. The only option is to support people in making better choices with their lives. That means housing children properly for a start.

The only reasonable reponse to this story is 'Thank God I'm not her'.

There are some young girls who live with family who are dying to get out. They dont know how to due to poor education and aspirations. They hear that if they get pregnant they will be housed for free by the council.

It sounds great. My own place. Having a consequence for something good or bad is not wrong. I could blow all my money on gambling. The consequence is that I could lose it so I dont. I could have another child but I dont because the consequence is that our lives would be very different if we did this and we wouldnt be able to afford what we have already. So I dont.

There must be consequences -do this and this will happen, oh I dont want that to happen so I wont do it.

There aren't loads of families out there like the OP so I'm not too worried.

Once all the children are here, what can you do? Seriously, those who object, what do you do with the children that are here? Punish them for their parents' mistakes?

Can I just point out that out of all the dwp and LA benefit related jobs I have had only 2 counties had a white goods service.

This was paid for by the tenant via a household insurance policy could not be obtained by any other way than by tenant funding ( so no additional benefits paid for it other than out of is or Jsa) was much the same as normal household insurance just intended for use by low income families so no refusals if you were bankrupt or anything like that and appliances that were covered were limited to ones under a certain age.

Came back to check Amberleaf if you had found a comment where I talk about 14 year old girls getting pregnant and then make sweeping generalisations about them. Not there is it? Although you do quote my very specific post in which say what I saw when teaching in the North. So thank you for upping my post and now I really will leave the thread!

erm no countrykitten, I reposted your post where you used anecdotal evidence to back a theory.

Which was the only point I was making, nothing to do with generalisations about anyone.

Your post was much like mine about people on benefits doing voluntary community work.

Why you thought mine was open to debate but yours should be unquestioned is anyones guess.

Apparently you are foolish or silly if you do so, though amberleaf

I dont see why some are so up in arms about people on benefits doing community work, its not all litter picking, it could be helping at your local library, assisting at Scouts (if they still have them - sorry a bit old for all of that!).

I get' paid a salary'. Lets change that word to' I get paid benefits. ' I dont say I will have my salary but there is no way I am doing any work for it! Why is this any different. And to be honest -this women could send her kids out to the garden to tidy it up. What does the inside look like.....

What nobody's linked to this story yet?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/9880720/Unemployed-mother-of-11-is-keeping-horse.html

She has a fucking horse! Honestly, this woman needs to get a fucking grip. This is asking the pis. Cut her benefits now. Jeez....