To think it is ridiculous that a woman with 11 kids is getting a £400,000 house for nowt

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Especially when most working people couldn't never afford to live somewhere costing that much?
Link: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2280385/Home-fit-dole-queen-Mother-11-gets-BRAND-NEW-400-000-house-built-council-shes-struggling-current-homes.html

There is a difference though country as Im sure you know really, but it fits your point to pretend otherwise.

In your earlier post you said you were brought up in family where 98% claim benefits. Is that not true then?

OP YANBU - and you know it.

JenaiMorris - we saw the same names again and again. They kept their Sky. It was a long time ago, though, back in the 1990s, when debt was easy. I wonder if they still have it now? Possibly not, and very likely not after the next round of benefit changes. I wonder what will happen to Brighthouse?

btw I always tried to be compassionate, and to think that 'there but for the grace of God go I', but it was pretty hard sometimes. That was more than outweighed by people who had been hammered by bad luck and were there through no fault of their own.

not everyone has the same opportunities in life, she is a stay at home mum, she is raising her kids.

If she was lucky enough to have met a nice man who provided for her then she would be classed as doing the hardest job in the world. But because she has not been so lucky and yeah maybe a little bit irresponsible for whatever reasons, she is a sponger.

She is a mum doing the same hard, exhausting, job that every stay at home mum in Britain is doing, life is not fair on everyone if only it was.

If only she could meet some rich man who could support her and her kids then we can all pass our halos over and tell her what a fab job she is doing. As it is she is raising 11 kids on benefits for whatever reasons, am I envious of her 6 bedroom house, no I am not because her day to day life must be very very hard

Amberleaf will you please then explain the difference as I genuinely do not see one. Extrapolating from anecdotal evidence in any way is always very flawed....how is what you are doing any different?

countrykitten, you did of course do the same on this very thread.

was it flawed in your example too? or only mine?

I wonder if this woman did what she did because she can. She knows what she is or isnt 'entitled' to. Her oldest have already made her a GM and so it goes on. They are only copying their mother who is clearly pretty daft to come out like this. Can you imagine what is going to happen to her and her children now..

Perhaps there needs to be a limit on how much the council and tax payers will provide. There will be no more 4+ council houses for people who choose to have large families.

Choose to have lots of children but if you want a large family then they will have to share rooms (shock horror) and such like. Its not a wise choice but it is a choice just the same. There is no reason now for someone to have a child without it being planned.

This woman will never work, why should she and the example she is passing on to her children is that they dont need to either.

countrykitten I use your form of words and it is me who is being unpleasant and personal? Bizarre

Of course it's not "fair" or right, but what's to be done? state enforced sterilization? Kids starving in the streets?

IMO all that can be done is education...try to get people to want better for themselves.

Amberleaf where have I done this on the thread?

Yes it's true 98% where and still are on benefits. That still leaves 2% of the family who do work of whom I was placed in care of when I was an infant. I grew up in that working household part of my family lived with my parents unemployed for a couple of years then moved into an employed house hold. The only people who work in my side of the family are a couple of the younger ones the rest don't however on my partners side your pretty much scum if you don't work. My children are growing up in a working household. Infact I won't even let benefits be mentioned infront of my children as I don't wish for them to know they exist as I never want them to believe its an option to make and want a full life on them

Goodtalkingtoo - do you know her? Because if you don't then I don't see how you can make the statements you do. How do you know she is working hard to raise her family?

Certainly comments from some of her neighbours seem to indicate they aren't the nicest people to live next door to

countrykitten, in your first post about the 14 yr olds having babies

Pure anecdote that was.

mablemurple I don't recall saying that you lacked imagination or whatever you said. I did not say that I was 'pmsl' at your post either. But whatever, I have no desire to argue with you over this.

Oh my.

The Daily Mail has done it's job again.

Amberleaf my first post (on page 3 I believe) is all about how sad I found the situation and how disadvantaged I thought that these children would be. I make no mention of 14 year olds having babies. I have just re-read the post.

So I am not sure who you are arguing with.

Anyway I am leaving the thread as it seems that any meaningful debate has been had.

page 17 countrykitten your post about 14 yr olds having babies.

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gordys I have to take issue with your claim that asking some benefit claimants to do community work is akin to slavery. It is such an offensive remark on so many levels.

squeaky I taught for 10 years in a Northern town similar to the one you describe and saw everything that you speak of. These girls were not victims of paedophilia but they were victims of low self esteem, poor upbringing and poverty - not necessarily in the financial sense but a sort of cultural poverty which mc people cannot readily understand. They and their families placed no value on education but lots of value on 'things' and it was the older boys they looked to to provide these things for them. t was and is very sad.

chattymummy

"however on my partners side your pretty much scum if you don't work"

Better hope your partner doesn't ever lost his job then, could cause some ructions eh

Sure has Usual and I let myself get sucked in again. Why will I never learn.

Good talking to. If everyone had the same views as this woman then who would be paying for their choices. We would all be having lots of children always assuming someone else would pay.

And I still think - 3 bed council properties only. If you want to have more children realistically no one can stop you but constantly having your hand out to take and take and take needs to stop. This womans two oldest are now repeating her lifestyle. Some are talking about poor upbring. These kids are being brought up to believe that working doesnt pay.

usual - get back to your council house and free sky telly and don't sully the thread with your terrible socialist views