To think it is ridiculous that a woman with 11 kids is getting a £400,000 house for nowt

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Especially when most working people couldn't never afford to live somewhere costing that much?
Link: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2280385/Home-fit-dole-queen-Mother-11-gets-BRAND-NEW-400-000-house-built-council-shes-struggling-current-homes.html

yes it goes on - but not at anything ear the level the Fail and it's counterparts would have you believe - most people don't want to be skint an worry about money

I have met very rare families like this. Generally they live in an overcrowded manner and incidences of councils knocking two properties together in this way are not common.

I can only thibk of ONE family that had this in 25 years of community midwifery practice. All the rest remained overcrowded.

Benefits do seem to pay to much..

I personally know of a family 2 adults 3 bed house all rent and council tax paid for... Fags,booze, eating out, massive tv package £100 per month, 2 dogs, 2 pcs, 2 laptops, multiple games consoles, days out to Alton towers the beach etc... On benefits for two adults.. They are not claiming anything they shouldn't be but it seems too much.. Oh and no this was not brought before being on benefits this is all while being on benefits for the past almost 10 years.

Although I've just reported a "single" mother on benefits for having a man living there..

People who work while children are young may not have more spare cash than people on benefits at the time bit in later years they will have better paid work, no child care costs and more than likely a pension. I know where I'd rather be!

Chatty Bullshit, they are either getting money from somewhere else or that is a load of crap.

SqueakyI agree with some of what you say but why do some girls have such low aspirations that all they want is a baby/house/not be kicked out on the street?

Why do they not want to take charge of their own lives and forge a career and their own stability? Surely that's in part, upbringing? (not always the case, I know)

Have you seen their Sky package to know they are paying this? I am on benefits and there is no way I can afford £100 for a TV package like that. Nor could I fork out for Alton Towers or any othrr theme park....and I only have one child. .

If she is doing all you say then there is extra income from somewhere she is not telling you about.

chatty you seem to be awfully interested in other people's lives. I don't even know that much detail about my sister

Jake Exactly. I have a family member who pays for Netflix for us as we can't even afford that!

The aspirations debate is a good one. Some girls have no self esteem and can only validate themselves by being mothers.

I have seen 15/16/17 year old girls as new mothers. I contrast that with my 18 year old niece...just passed her driving test and just got her first job in London and so excited about life.

Its not always about upbringing. ..my sister was pregnant at 19 while I haf my first baby at 36 (late developer ) .

No you don't, Chatty. You might have read about them in the tabloid press, but you don't know them.

And yes, I am calling you a liar, since you ask.

wow, you sound lovely chattymummy

gordys I have to take issue with your claim that asking some benefit claimants to do community work is akin to slavery. It is such an offensive remark on so many levels.

squeaky I taught for 10 years in a Northern town similar to the one you describe and saw everything that you speak of. These girls were not victims of paedophilia but they were victims of low self esteem, poor upbringing and poverty - not necessarily in the financial sense but a sort of cultural poverty which mc people cannot readily understand. They and their families placed no value on education but lots of value on 'things' and it was the older boys they looked to to provide these things for them. t was and is very sad.

And Chatty before any speculations are made about my internet use; I am using an old laptop that I have had since I was 18 and got for Christmas. DP uses a laptop he was bought for his birthday by his Mum a few years ago.

Our Xbox is second hand and I bought it when I was working, I have a tablet that I got free with a very cheap phone contract that worked out better priced than having a home phone.

Things are not always as they seem.

Or see it as 11 children being given a 5 bedroom house rather than living seperatly in 2 houses.

I should say 'some mc posters on here seem not to be able to readily understand' as that was otherwise rather a sweeping statement!

Chatty, the key word in your post is seem.

Funny how people know so much intimate detail of others' income. And use this "information" to justify their argument that the benefit system is too generous. The same benefit system that they would use if unemployed/ill/disabled.

As others have said before, if it's so great on benefits, why not give it a go?

Country I believe it was me who said that first. It is, there is no choice and would likely work out below minimum wage with no access to childcare and no time off if you are very ill.

countrykitten, amazingly not all of us here are even mc!

why - being FORCED to do any work without min wage is akin to slavery - or are you being professionally offended CK ;)

Would people being forced to do community work get the same tax credits as people choosing to work?

Because people on Workfare don't, even though they are considered employed.

Did you know, everyone in prison has a massive telly in their cell, and 3 course meals cooked by Jamie Oliver every night? And immigrants get given a car the minute they set foot on British soil. Two cars if they are illegal immigrants.

seeker But what about their goats?

So the idea of people being asked to do a couple of hours in their community a week is slavery? Then really I do feel that some of you have completely lost the plot. Do any of you actually know anything about history and how offensive that comparison truly is?

gordy once again you bring up comments from posts on thread other than this. It's a bit pathetic but whatever makes you tick.