To think it is ridiculous that a woman with 11 kids is getting a £400,000 house for nowt

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Especially when most working people couldn't never afford to live somewhere costing that much?
Link: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2280385/Home-fit-dole-queen-Mother-11-gets-BRAND-NEW-400-000-house-built-council-shes-struggling-current-homes.html

Amber to me a holiday is a luxury.

It is very well known, and true that many single mothers have also got partners whose income is not declared because they know the loopholes.. that is why they can so easily live a luxury lifestyle while on benefits.

Anyone who tries to deny this happens is burying their head in the sand.

Can people honestly not see why things like this hugely hack off a large number of working families?

There are so many working families barely keeping their heads above water at the moment - and then they read about families like this - families who don't put a penny into the system and in all likelihood never will being handed a £400k house on a plate. A house that they'll probably trash and then demand another.

I agree that the kids can't be blamed for the parents' fecklessness - but it doesn't make it any easier to stomach.

That didnt really answer my question squeakytoy

I do know of girls that were having sex at 14 and younger, it was NOT a sign of a healthy we rounded young person at all.

'gordy the welfare bill is £200 bn a year. It eclipses education, NHS and defence. Our entire income tax revenue as a country is LESS than this alone annually.'

Maud is this so? I was asking about this the other day on MN. Do you have a reference for those figures?

What also bothers me is the inconsistencies of the system. I have friends, both disabled and dependent on benefits, who are trying to raise a baby in a tiny one bedroom flat and will have to wait at least a year for somewhere with even one more bedroom. They would probably be pretty pissed off by this story.

I wouldn't be better off, honestly. He didn't live with me before as we didn't have the room (I am living with my Gran as she helps care for me sometimes).

We still get the same tax credits and a negligible amount less in ESA.

HoHoHo I bloody wish I could afford a holiday!

So they are defrauding the system.

Again, not a valid criticism of the level of benefits.

If this was a working family saying they had 11 kids and not enough room we would be advocating better storage and bunk beds!

Amber - we're not going to see eye to eye on this one, clearly. I think what this woman is doing is wrong for everybody and in no way condone it. I also feel the system is hugely at fault and dislike it. At no point have I directed ire at anybody: I expressed frustration early in the thread but even said quite clearly that I was frustrated at the system and not at individuals.

I am trying very hard not to sound sarcastic or acerbic in my replies, but I know what I get, I know what those on benefits get, and I know the difference is relatively little given that I work full time in a well paid job and others do not work at all.

But I am not going to carry on arguing it as I dislike being called a fool when I know I am anything but.

what have Labour got to do with it?

8bn could be saved by stopping privatisation of education via the back door

Not strictly true Maud uk public spending

I'm also sure you're aware that the majority of the welfare budget goes on in-work benefits.

It is very well known, and true that many single mothers have also got partners whose income is not declared because they know the loopholes.. that is why they can so easily live a luxury lifestyle while on benefits.

Anyone who tries to deny this happens is burying their head in the sand

Totally agree Squeaky - A friend of mine was in this position enabling them to take the luxury holidays I so often dream about but cant afford on my full time salary.

hohohoho yes holidays are a luxury and certainly not something that people whos only source of income is state benefits can afford.

and this woman is claiming what she is entitled to btw she is not cheating the system or doing anything illegal

aah secret partners yeah so that would be benefit fraud then and not your typical single mum on benefits

I went on holiday last year to Disney Florida with a friend, thing is though she had a spare ticket that was paid for as her partner couldn't go due to an emergency. My family gave me some spending money.

I suppose from the outside though people might have thought I paid for it.

I am trying very hard not to sound sarcastic or acerbic in my replies, but I know what I get, I know what those on benefits get, and I know the difference is relatively little given that I work full time in a well paid job and others do not work at all

If you think its very little difference then you dont know as much as you think you do.

the cost of benefits is 159BN and the majority is to PENSIONERS

www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2013/jan/08/uk-benefit-welfare-spending

yes it The Gaurdian but it's also fact based information

Head and brick wall

I'm hiding this thread now, it's just really upsetting me. Schro - all the best, and I really do mean that.

Okay Secret, thank you.

secret the only reason I singled you out is for your allegations about income. You are as entitled as the rest if the country to be resentful of the current economic climate but unfortunately the government are playing you like a pawn. They are the ones to blame, no one else.

I am an LP, I also work part-time, my entire income is not quite a quarter of yours. I'm afraid I don't think you know as much as you think you do.

'If this was a working family saying they had 11 kids and not enough room we would be advocating better storage and bunk beds!'

They'll probably still need bunk beds. A 6 bedroom house for 14 people will still be a squash. According to the Guardian it's still 2 semi's knocked together

No-one is denying system playing goes on. But it is MORE HARMFUL to EVERYONE when it happens at the top, but for some reason people are whining about THIS?!

You know those at the top don't see you guys as fully human either, just as units of production.

People who work while children are young may not have more spare cash than people on benefits at the time bit in later years they will have better paid work, no child care costs and more than likely a pension. I know where I'd rather be!