To think it is ridiculous that a woman with 11 kids is getting a £400,000 house for nowt

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Especially when most working people couldn't never afford to live somewhere costing that much?
Link: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2280385/Home-fit-dole-queen-Mother-11-gets-BRAND-NEW-400-000-house-built-council-shes-struggling-current-homes.html

wonder how much it costs to house 14 people in B+B - compared to renting them a housing ass house? lots more I expect

I agree with you on the carers thing Penelo - can only imagine how knackering that must be. x

I have all of those things, except for the fags - gave up 3 years ago, damn me and the shitty example I set for my son. Showing him how we have to save really hard to buy things, swanning around in my 12yo car, taking him and my Nanna to a soft play centre for a jacket potato because she loves watching children play and can't really get out on her own what with being 86 and all.

I am suitably ashamed.

gordy godwin;s law!

Yes, it is quite reasonable to extrapolate that if we disagree with someone who has and never and will never work having 11 kids and a 400K house we naturally want to stuff those kids up a chimney.

Then Amber I suppose you then have to define luxury.

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"BonyBack, a 23 year old having sex with a 13 year old is in no way abusive? Really?"

I didn't say it wasn't abusive, I said that he wasn't a paedophile.

In my local authority B&B is £800 a week per room.

still not answering the point then

but there is a limit to what is in the pot, isn't there? Maybe there wouldn't be a massive difference to what people receive as individuals, but I am thinking more in terms of things like waiting lists and nurses and midwives and the like

Again, it is not the fault of women like this for the cuts in those areas.

only a fool would believe that, only a fool would believe that and not bother to research it themselves and find the truth of the issue.

hohohoho you said luxury, so why dont you define it in this instance?

A solution then, Auntmaud? There's not been a viable alternative put forward by those disagreeing with these children being adequately housed that doesn't actually punish the children for existing...

Why are there 14 of them though? Surely the grandchildren and adults there could be living elsewhere? Then they can live in one of the two houses that they have currently and the whole "brand new six bedroom house" argument doesn't have to happen?

AuntMaud Trust me, they don't provide for any of that stuff.

DP and I get:

£460 a month (disability benefit (ESA) and I have been assessed by Atos).
£240 CTC
£80 CB
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£780 a month
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And that's on disability! JSA is £75 a week, could you live on that, or have days out?

the pot is seriously low due to tax evasion, cuts leading to fewer tax payers and a recession - not due to the odd large family on benefits

It's probably cheaper to house them all in one home than different ones.

And anyone capable of giving birth 11 (!) times deserves a house.

I didn't say it was her fault Amber but the fact is we have a system that has allowed her to do that.

I can assure you that I am no fool and I dislike the insinuation that I am. I can see all around me, from friends, and from acquaintances, just what some people get. Lap of luxury - no. A life on a par with, and in some cases better than, those who work - yes.

I don't think objecting to that makes me a fool.

No, I don't have a 6 bedroom house. I pay extortionate rent on a tiny two-bed terrace because contrary to what people think they don't actually throw council houses at single mums.

I also don't think we can blame this woman for the extortionate price of houses either can we? Or did she cause the property boom as well.

Designer clothes? There really isn't a reply to that.

Again, does anyone honestly think that this situation is common enough to make the slightest bit of difference to anything?

"So you think its the sign of a normal healthy 14 yr old to be out seeking sex with men?"

It was perfectly normal then in that town, and still is. Unless you grew up in that environment, I imagine it is hard for people to understand. It doesnt make it right, but it is the way of life and is highly unlikely to change very much. If a girl is having sex, she could get pregnant by a boy her own age just as easily, but he would be less likely to provide financially.. (hollow laugh, because in reality the older boys/men are just a unlikely to be a responsible father).

You think Jeremy Kyle is far fetched... it really isnt.

life of Luxury my arse - honestly I had a very 'Tory' friend who ended up on benefits and she was OUTRAGED by what she got - she had believed the hype and could not work out who she was supposed to feed herself and her family on £100 a week

benefits give you enough to get by but no more

We're still relying on that time machine then are we?

I wonder if it is the size of the house that gets to people?

I think what gets to people is that a fair number of families have fewer children then they might wish because they just can't afford the housing costs. For example I would theoretically like three children, but there isn't a snowball's chance in hell of us ever being able to afford a four bedroom house, so it isn't happening. Thats just how it as.

gordy the welfare bill is £200 bn a year. It eclipses education, NHS and defence. Our entire income tax revenue as a country is LESS than this alone annually.

Surely you can see that you can both support closing tax loopholes ( Labour never did, though) and condemn allowing the welfare state to be abused by people like this?

You cannot buy designer goods if your only source of income is benefits. If people on benefits possess these things, then :

• they might have bought them before they fell on hard times
• they might have been a gift
• they might have borrowed money from a loan shark
• they might have stolen them
• they might be fake

None of these scenarios mean that the benefit system is generous or more than adequate. Is it really so hard to understand?

I think that not attempting to find the truth of the matter makes you a fool.

But it seems you prefer to believe what you want to believe so you can continue to direct your ire at someone.

But yes, you did imply it was women like this fault that there are cuts and shortages, that is very short sighted of you.

You are free to believe what you want though, I just prefer to go on facts and not anecdotal 'evidence'

Schro the problem is, you would probably be better off financially if you didn't have a partner. Obviously I'm not suggesting you boot him out - I'm well aware the benefits system is generous to some, not so to others. It was the period when my poor brother was on JSA when he nearly lost his house - even so it took WEEKS to come through and he had to pay for his prescriptions during that time as well, pain in the arse (as he ended up crabbing off me that was a joke, BTW!)