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To say he can't go to stag do if there are going to be strippers?

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DelphineD · 09/02/2013 23:10

I'm sorry if this ends up being long; I will try to keep it as concise as possible.

Last year DP went to a stag do (first one that has come up whilst we have been together). It was one of his closest friends, and one that I previously liked and respected. They were away for 2 nights. I had wondered if some sort of strip thing might be involved but I thought probably not as the friend was not that kind of man and DP assured me when he got back that there was nothing of the kind. I later found out (through my scarily good investigation and interrogation!!) that this was not the case. On the first night they had been to a strip club and on the second night there were topless waitresses at their apartment for about 3 hours. This info came out bit by bit. Each time DP would insist there was nothing more to tell, then I found out something else. Eventually I think I got a full confession out of him but it was difficult to be sure as he had lied so many times about it. I also got out of him that there had been topless waitresses at a work party he had attended some time before (I had suspected something wrong and he had always denied it before.) He claimed all this was not of his doing, it was not really of interest to him and he just went along with it because they were in a group and he didn't want to make a fuss etc etc. If he had had a lap dance, I would have broken up with him (friend had a lap dance and the man has gone down a lot in my estimation.) As it was I nearly broke up with him anyway. He knew how much I hated strippers and how I would feel about it, and he did it anyway. But I think the most damaging thing was the lying. I trusted him before, and he had destroyed all that.

We got over it and agreed that if there was anything like this again he would tell me the truth and face the music. He understands how much more damaging it was that he lied about it. Since then, I have been to a work party where there was a male stripper. I didn't know in advance but I did know once I got there and I could have come home. It seemed a bit hypocritical, but I went anyway. I just sat at the back, while some of the married women in my group, went up on stage, straddled the stripper, took their wedding rings off, etc etc. That made me think that I wasn't so worried about DP being present in a large room where women were stripping, it was how he behaved and the interaction that would bother me. Hence why I was more upset about the topless women in the apartment than the ones in the strip club. FWIW I believe he would have behaved in a similar way to me in his situation. But his friend having that lap dance upset me, and made me think you can't trust any man, even the ones who seem nice and like they really love their partners.

Now he has his DB's stag party coming up. It's in the city where we live, but some people will be coming from elsewhere so there will be an apartment rented again. He has said he will tell the truth about it this time. He has admitted that the best man is planning something to do with strippers but nothing is booked in yet. I'm already feeling upset about it already and I just don't want him to be around strippers at all. WIBU to say, if that is happening, I don't want you to go at all?

OP posts:
seeker · 13/02/2013 20:23

Out of interest, delboy- what do you think of the men who use lap dancing clubs? Decent, upright pillars of the community, are they?"

delboysfileofax · 13/02/2013 20:28

Point out where i have been shown up then anyfucker. lets see the irrefutable evidence which states im wrong. My only agenda here is free choice. I dont care for strip clubs one way or another now that I dont work in one. But fine, keep yelling that I was actually a customer. Why would I pretend otherwise? There's no shame in being one.

Seeker- no I think they're the same as anyone else. They're members of the public. Some good, some bad.

MarmaladeTwatkins · 13/02/2013 20:29

"My only agenda here is free choice"

Now I agree with what you wrote here.^

I'm assuming that you meant the free choice of men to visit LDCs?

AnyFucker · 13/02/2013 20:31

I am not "yelling" Del Boy

whatever gave you that idea ?

delboysfileofax · 13/02/2013 20:36

Yes Marmalade, and the freedom for women to work in them. They are not illegal, no one is breaking the law. If people dont like them that is their personal choice. What makes you think you have the right to tell others what to do, or where they can or cant go

MarmaladeTwatkins · 13/02/2013 20:39

Ah well. I didn't know that you were very bothered about the rights of women. I trust that you've posted on other threads to do with women's rights? I am assuming that you've got all huffy over on the FWR boards over the shit we have to deal with as a gender. I am assuming that you support equal pay, equality in the workplace etc etc?

You should have just said that you're only breast-beating on this thread because you're such a big feminist! It would have saved you so much grief...

AnyFucker · 13/02/2013 20:40

Is this where you admit you love LDC's, Del Boy ?

Go on...you know you want to, you can't help yourself

I am sure the pm's will flood in for you

MarmaladeTwatkins · 13/02/2013 20:41

And for the record, I'm not telling people where they can and can't go. Who would listen if I was? But at least you punters can know what you're funding when you visit these places. We're just letting you know that you aren't funding PhDs.

AnyFucker · 13/02/2013 20:43

Del Boy

there's a fuckload of threads where women's rights are sorely misrepresented on the Relationships board

I don't see you there

unless it is in wanking spirit

seeker · 13/02/2013 20:46

And your skin doesn't crawl just a tiny bit when you look at a man who has paid money to have a woman he doesn't know gyrate on his lap in a room full of people? Really?

delboysfileofax · 13/02/2013 20:47

Well aware not funding phd's. I love being lectured by someone who knows the square route of fuck all about strip clubs but has the ability to mind read. Its incredible.

As i've told you time and again i used to work in one. Its not that difficult a concept. If i was a punter there i would come straight out and admit it.

delboysfileofax · 13/02/2013 20:49

square root even

AnyFucker · 13/02/2013 20:51

No, you wouldn't tell us that you are really a punter

because that would be too obvious

like the PHD-funding happy-clappy lap dancer upthread who is as real as Jimmy Savile's integrity...it doesn't fit the weak argument you are attempting to defend

AnyFucker · 13/02/2013 20:54

Del Boy

let us see you on the Relationship threads sticking up for women whose partners abuse them sexually as a matter of course

on the threads where decent folk are appalled by the sexualisation of young boys and girls

etc

we might start taking your views seriously then, maybe

FreudiansSlipper · 13/02/2013 20:54

did you read the report delboy? Or even glance at it?

MarmaladeTwatkins · 13/02/2013 20:55

No, I don't think that you'd admit to being a punter on here. I really don't.

We've had it before on these threads; punters/LDC owners posting with an agenda, pretending to be impartial but really it's because they don't like being told they're on the seedier side of seedy. I can understand it. No-one likes being made to question their dodgy choices. It's whether you can man up after being made to question them and admit that maybe you might review your attitudes or whether you just carry on paddling up the river, using only your hands, blithely ignoring informed and intelligent debate so that you may carry on as you were, that determines whether you're a tosser or not.

AnyFucker · 13/02/2013 20:56

there was a punter banned just recently for pushing an agenda

his name was DadDancer

he used to boast about winding up Mumsnetters about LDC's

he has his own website and everyfink

it's easily googleable

Del

Boy

perhaps you could seek him out

that's if you are not him, already

delboysfileofax · 13/02/2013 20:59

Why would it matter?

At the end of the day Anyfucker we are two faceless people on the internet. I can no more prove I worked the doors there than you can actually prove you're a woman. But lets put it this way, if i was trying to pull the wool over someones eyes surely it would be better to pretend to have been a dancer, or staying true to the thread a women who has no issue with her partner going to a strip club and fighting it out that way?

delboysfileofax · 13/02/2013 21:04

Also I have seen several of dad dancers posts, I dont need to search for him. Second, I only ever post in AIBU. I dont seek out feminists for an argument or go on that page because what can I add to the debate? I'm working class male, we have absolutely no shared experiences good or bad- theres nothing for me to contribute.

I dont go on the r/ships page because that doesnt interest me, and i dont think strangers on the internet are a good way to sort that sort of issue

BelaLugosisShed · 13/02/2013 21:04

DadDancer was banned? That's made my night, that has. Smile

Whatever happened to Delphine I wonder? Hmm

AnyFucker · 13/02/2013 21:05

Yes, DadDancer was banned.

he has tentacles though

those pondlife always do

delboysfileofax · 13/02/2013 21:05

Thirdly surely the moderators would be able to tell if i were him or not, they would simply ban him again

AnyFucker · 13/02/2013 21:06

Del

for someone who advocates the sexual services industry to say that "relationships don't interest you", is revealing indeed

BelaLugosisShed · 13/02/2013 21:07

Delboy, so you have no women in your life at all?

No wife /sister/daughter/mother to give you insight into what it's like to be a woman in a male dominiated world?

BelaLugosisShed · 13/02/2013 21:09

or even male *dominated .