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To say he can't go to stag do if there are going to be strippers?

695 replies

DelphineD · 09/02/2013 23:10

I'm sorry if this ends up being long; I will try to keep it as concise as possible.

Last year DP went to a stag do (first one that has come up whilst we have been together). It was one of his closest friends, and one that I previously liked and respected. They were away for 2 nights. I had wondered if some sort of strip thing might be involved but I thought probably not as the friend was not that kind of man and DP assured me when he got back that there was nothing of the kind. I later found out (through my scarily good investigation and interrogation!!) that this was not the case. On the first night they had been to a strip club and on the second night there were topless waitresses at their apartment for about 3 hours. This info came out bit by bit. Each time DP would insist there was nothing more to tell, then I found out something else. Eventually I think I got a full confession out of him but it was difficult to be sure as he had lied so many times about it. I also got out of him that there had been topless waitresses at a work party he had attended some time before (I had suspected something wrong and he had always denied it before.) He claimed all this was not of his doing, it was not really of interest to him and he just went along with it because they were in a group and he didn't want to make a fuss etc etc. If he had had a lap dance, I would have broken up with him (friend had a lap dance and the man has gone down a lot in my estimation.) As it was I nearly broke up with him anyway. He knew how much I hated strippers and how I would feel about it, and he did it anyway. But I think the most damaging thing was the lying. I trusted him before, and he had destroyed all that.

We got over it and agreed that if there was anything like this again he would tell me the truth and face the music. He understands how much more damaging it was that he lied about it. Since then, I have been to a work party where there was a male stripper. I didn't know in advance but I did know once I got there and I could have come home. It seemed a bit hypocritical, but I went anyway. I just sat at the back, while some of the married women in my group, went up on stage, straddled the stripper, took their wedding rings off, etc etc. That made me think that I wasn't so worried about DP being present in a large room where women were stripping, it was how he behaved and the interaction that would bother me. Hence why I was more upset about the topless women in the apartment than the ones in the strip club. FWIW I believe he would have behaved in a similar way to me in his situation. But his friend having that lap dance upset me, and made me think you can't trust any man, even the ones who seem nice and like they really love their partners.

Now he has his DB's stag party coming up. It's in the city where we live, but some people will be coming from elsewhere so there will be an apartment rented again. He has said he will tell the truth about it this time. He has admitted that the best man is planning something to do with strippers but nothing is booked in yet. I'm already feeling upset about it already and I just don't want him to be around strippers at all. WIBU to say, if that is happening, I don't want you to go at all?

OP posts:
delboysfileofax · 13/02/2013 17:41

They have strip clubs then bela?

BelaLugosisShed · 13/02/2013 17:42

Prostitution and sexual entertainment is rife in UAE/Saudi etc. The only difference between here and there is that the women involved would be stoned to death if found out, by the very men who buy them.

delboysfileofax · 13/02/2013 17:43

Have never read Cosmo or belle du jour. But did work in one so I think I have a fair idea. How many have you worked in/been in marmalade?

MarmaladeTwatkins · 13/02/2013 17:44

Here you go, Delboy

delboysfileofax · 13/02/2013 17:44

Didnt say anything about prostitution bela. where are the strip clubs in Saudi? any proof?

MarmaladeTwatkins · 13/02/2013 17:46

Hmmm, I'll remain dubious about whether you've worked in one if that's OK, Delboy.

I don't need to go into one to know that women are trafficked into the industry, that women are abused/assaulted etc. Do you need to go into a vivisection clinic to know how badly animals in them are treated or do you have the presence of mind to do a bit of digging/reading?

MarmaladeTwatkins · 13/02/2013 17:47

Why are you so fixated on there being no strip clubs in Saudi, DelBoy? The sex industry is underground in Saudi and other middle eastern countries but it is there. What kind of building it takes place in is irrelevant.

delboysfileofax · 13/02/2013 17:52

Knock yourself out. I cant prove it doesnt bother me if you believe me or not. Simple fact is I worked in one for quite some time whereas you have never stepped foot in one. But still you know best.

Any evidence for any of your claims they are trafficked

delboysfileofax · 13/02/2013 17:54

Because Marmalade we are talking about strippers/strip clubs. NOT prostitution.

MarmaladeTwatkins · 13/02/2013 17:58

Yes, I base my opinion on things that I have read/watched. Rather than the opinion of someone on the internets who says she worked in one and it was great and the punters were lovely and tips were great yadda yadda.

Like I say, some things you just don't have to have first hand experience of to know what goes on. Sometimes, you might have a friend who works in the police force who tells you what goes on.

As for evidence, are you for real? Seriously, a quick Google will give you lots of credible sources talking about trafficking within the sex industry.

It's these comments that you make that really makes me question whether you actually worked in one, or are a club owner posting with an agenda because we all know that that has happened before on here...

MarmaladeTwatkins · 13/02/2013 18:03

But that is over-simplifying it, Delboy.

You are equating LDCs with the only form of sex industry. Yes, in Saudi, you will not find bars called "The Titty Twister" offering private dances for X amount of Riyals but you'd have to be either really thick or really naive to think that if the men of S.A wanted to watch a strip show, there wouldn't be places that would cater to this. They're just a bit more concealed. So all you're arguing over is the name that these establishments go by.

WilsonFrickett · 13/02/2013 18:06

There is an enormous underground sex industry in Saudi and UAE. Just because there's no visible LDC's does not mean that women (and men) can't be procured for sexual services extremely easily.

I'm glad the apocryphal Phd student turned up though. Just wondering, when you ask for a lap dance, can you request a dancer who is only doing it to fund her education? You know, rather than one who's been trafficked, pimped, abused or addicted. Do they have menus? Hmm

delboysfileofax · 13/02/2013 18:06

I would certainly avoid believing what you read marmalade since you seem to struggle with the fundamentals of it. If you could read you would know Iam male and that I have worked in both strip clubs and "normal clubs"

And once again strip clubs are being termed "sex industry" as then prostitution can nicely be bandied into it to give the impression of the vunerability, sexual abuse and violence which goes with that.

So I ask again, how many strip clubs in Saudi/Afghanistan?

If there are none, then surely strip clubs make no difference to sexual violence which women suffer?

SomethingOnce · 13/02/2013 18:12

What did you do in the clubs, del, are you a dancer?

MarmaladeTwatkins · 13/02/2013 18:12

Heh heh, makes sense that you're a bloke.

Well, if you want, look at it as a pie-chart, if that helps your brain process it more easily... If you divided the pie-chart into percentages of what triggers a sexual assault (other than the assaulter being scum) and a slice of that pie is attributed to visiting a LDC, then do you see what I am saying?

And now you're debating that LDCs fall under the sex industry umbrella? Amazing.

delboysfileofax · 13/02/2013 18:15

I dont deny that Wilson. But then they would be prostitutes rather than strippers working in a club. It is completely different. It just suits the feminist agenda to mark them as the same.

Two seperate posters have stated they worked in these places and yet it is seen they are automatically not telling the truth. I understand people who dont like strip clubs. Fair enough, but if you dont like them dont go. No one is forcing you.

MarmaladeTwatkins · 13/02/2013 18:19

No-one is marking them as the same. We are just recognising that there are nuances in different cultures that necessitates it for the same thing to be re-packaged as something different. It's really not a hard concept to grasp.

What are you even doing on this thread anyway?

delboysfileofax · 13/02/2013 18:29

Why shouldnt I be on this thread?

FreudiansSlipper · 13/02/2013 18:30

really you need to read up up the pornification of our society and the effect it is having there is a lot of research in to this then make a decision not just base it on the nice clubs you have worked in

I am not sure how old you are but if you are in your 30's surely you have seen a shift the sexualisation of young girls is frightening the sex industry is part of that, it is not a nice fun industry it exploits people yet it is filtering into our everyday lives more and more

MarmaladeTwatkins · 13/02/2013 18:34

You seem to be posting with an agenda, which as a man is probably inevitable. There aren't many men enlightened enough to admit that LDCs are vile.

delboysfileofax · 13/02/2013 18:36

Ah so its a cultural nuance which means you cant find a strip club in these countries then, not that they dont exist? So if sexual assault still occurs in countries without strip clubs what does it matter if they are open here?

SomethingOnce · 13/02/2013 18:37

What did you do in the clubs, del, are/were you a dancer?

delboysfileofax · 13/02/2013 18:38

Whereas you Marmalade dont have an agenda? Really? I hope you weren't typing that with a straight face!

seeker · 13/02/2013 18:39

There are strip clubs in every country in the world. Because the is a sex industry in very country in the world. The difference is that in places like Saudi they do not have actual physical "premises". They take place in private homes, and in secret locations kept away from official eyes. As they used to in this country.

FreudiansSlipper · 13/02/2013 18:40

why are you bring up countries where women are so oppressed

of course there is a sex industry there it's just not as open plenty of reports of women being trafficked from Asia

why not look to countries where they are tackling this problem seriously where women really are treated as equals