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To say he can't go to stag do if there are going to be strippers?

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DelphineD · 09/02/2013 23:10

I'm sorry if this ends up being long; I will try to keep it as concise as possible.

Last year DP went to a stag do (first one that has come up whilst we have been together). It was one of his closest friends, and one that I previously liked and respected. They were away for 2 nights. I had wondered if some sort of strip thing might be involved but I thought probably not as the friend was not that kind of man and DP assured me when he got back that there was nothing of the kind. I later found out (through my scarily good investigation and interrogation!!) that this was not the case. On the first night they had been to a strip club and on the second night there were topless waitresses at their apartment for about 3 hours. This info came out bit by bit. Each time DP would insist there was nothing more to tell, then I found out something else. Eventually I think I got a full confession out of him but it was difficult to be sure as he had lied so many times about it. I also got out of him that there had been topless waitresses at a work party he had attended some time before (I had suspected something wrong and he had always denied it before.) He claimed all this was not of his doing, it was not really of interest to him and he just went along with it because they were in a group and he didn't want to make a fuss etc etc. If he had had a lap dance, I would have broken up with him (friend had a lap dance and the man has gone down a lot in my estimation.) As it was I nearly broke up with him anyway. He knew how much I hated strippers and how I would feel about it, and he did it anyway. But I think the most damaging thing was the lying. I trusted him before, and he had destroyed all that.

We got over it and agreed that if there was anything like this again he would tell me the truth and face the music. He understands how much more damaging it was that he lied about it. Since then, I have been to a work party where there was a male stripper. I didn't know in advance but I did know once I got there and I could have come home. It seemed a bit hypocritical, but I went anyway. I just sat at the back, while some of the married women in my group, went up on stage, straddled the stripper, took their wedding rings off, etc etc. That made me think that I wasn't so worried about DP being present in a large room where women were stripping, it was how he behaved and the interaction that would bother me. Hence why I was more upset about the topless women in the apartment than the ones in the strip club. FWIW I believe he would have behaved in a similar way to me in his situation. But his friend having that lap dance upset me, and made me think you can't trust any man, even the ones who seem nice and like they really love their partners.

Now he has his DB's stag party coming up. It's in the city where we live, but some people will be coming from elsewhere so there will be an apartment rented again. He has said he will tell the truth about it this time. He has admitted that the best man is planning something to do with strippers but nothing is booked in yet. I'm already feeling upset about it already and I just don't want him to be around strippers at all. WIBU to say, if that is happening, I don't want you to go at all?

OP posts:
seeker · 13/02/2013 19:21

Out of interest, delboy- what do you think of the men who use lap dancing clubs? Decent, upright pillars of the community, are they?

AnyFucker · 13/02/2013 19:22

delboy, I am not going to do your research for you

the internet is full of reports from women who regret working in the sex service industry

btw, I don't believe your ascertations that were/are a doorman at sexual service establishments

I believe you are a punter

AnyFucker · 13/02/2013 19:22

you were/are

MarmaladeTwatkins · 13/02/2013 19:23

"what percentage of women working in strip clubs dont have a choice? 10, 20, 30%? Any figures at all? Any proof?"

What difference would that make?! Confused

I don't give a shit if it's 0.1%. Still too many.

I think that the fact that you even needed to ask that question means that you're clutching at straws.

MarmaladeTwatkins · 13/02/2013 19:25

"delboy, I am not going to do your research for you

the internet is full of reports from women who regret working in the sex service industry

btw, I don't believe your ascertations that were/are a doorman at sexual service establishments

I believe you are a punter"

I agree with everything that AF said here.

delboysfileofax · 13/02/2013 19:33

Ah good good. No info at all then. Not a single shred of evidence so what we'll do is attack the poster.

Couldnt really give a shit if you think i was a punter. I could give you my SIA licence number but that would give out my name and this is a public forum

Lovely speaking to you all. You have well and truly proved all your points. And that is why as feminists your movement is fucked. You cant prove a single spurious claim you made

FreudiansSlipper · 13/02/2013 19:38

did you read the report or at least look at the tables ?

MarmaladeTwatkins · 13/02/2013 19:38

"And that is why as feminists your movement is fucked."

Is it? Is it really?

delboysfileofax · 13/02/2013 19:38

by the way there is a difference between regretting working in an industry and being forced

WilsonFrickett · 13/02/2013 19:40

I only ever see you on these threads Del so it's hard to believe you don't have an agenda.

I was told up thread that there were 'bigger' feminist issues than the objectification of women. IMO there isn't. The entire patriarchy comes down to men seeing women as objects. And the chances you or anyone else have of convincing me that LDC's don't objectify women? 0%.

And while there may be a percentage - even a significant percentage - of women who chose to be strippers of their own free will, there will always be a percentage that aren't there of their own free will, or are think they are but really aren't*. And that percentage, however low, is too high. Too high for me to take a chance on consuming that industry.

And further to your point 'if you don't like it don't go' - that's not much help to the OP is it? She doesn't like it. But her partner is still going to go.

like a poster on another thread we were both on del*. She had been a victim of sexual abuse and thought she was making a free choice to work in an LDC, but then realised the 'choice' she was making was based on incredibly low self esteem and confusion - because she'd been abused.

FreudiansSlipper · 13/02/2013 19:41

strange how larry has not popped up on this thread Confused

MarmaladeTwatkins · 13/02/2013 19:45

The lack of freedom of choice that I referenced didn't necessarily refer to women being forced to work in LDCs. Why do you have to be so black and white, delboy? Hmmmm?

I am talking about the choices that they are given as employees of these dumps.

The choice to put a few pound on, the choice to get a haircut, the choice not to shave her fanny every day and so forth.

These women's bodies are not their own. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

MarmaladeTwatkins · 13/02/2013 19:45

I reckon that delboy "knows" Larry Wink

WilsonFrickett · 13/02/2013 19:46

by the way there is a difference between regretting working in an industry and being forced

But how could anyone regret working in the sex industry? If it's as luffly as you say del?

garlicblocks · 13/02/2013 19:48

This is a highly readable book about lapdancing, by lapdancers. Stripped: The Bare Reality of Lap Dancing by Jennifer Hayashi Danns. You can read quite a bit of it on the "look inside" at Amazon.

Del, why the fuck are you obsessed with Saudi strip clubs? If you've been looking for one, I'm sure the door staff at the big hotels will be able to find you a reliable guide.

garlicblocks · 13/02/2013 19:48
MarmaladeTwatkins · 13/02/2013 19:49

Del will not read that book as it might make him examine his conscience wrt to being a punter.

garlicblocks · 13/02/2013 19:56

It doesn't paint the industry as all bad. It does give you a better idea of what it's like to be a lapdancer - and how the business has changed over time (did you realise the UK got its first lapdancing club in 1995?) It does not show the punters in a flattering light, that's true. Or the bouncers.

gordyslovesheep · 13/02/2013 20:07

Of course it is Marmalade ...a man said so

AnyFucker · 13/02/2013 20:08

this is what you do isn't it ? Del Boy

you come and try and argue your point

it doesn't work/you get out-manoevred by people more intelligent than you

I suspect you get some validation by the couple of braindead women who rock up on these threads to say "let your man do it...it's you he comes home to girlfriend "

you might even pick up a "contact" or two...it has been known Hmm

there has to be something in it for you, I suppose

BelaLugosisShed · 13/02/2013 20:13

I could name 3 places where men can go to pay for women to strip for them just in Tabuk (SA) , DH knows several ex-forces old colleagues who work out there, strangely enough all either single/divorced or with much younger Russian brides - 5 minutes on facebook and he accessed this info from two of them, I'm sure expat forums are also a mine of information.

AnyFucker · 13/02/2013 20:19

Del Boy will know that, what with him being a punter

his faux lack of knowledge about where to access sexual services, no matter where you are in the word, is so much codology

delboysfileofax · 13/02/2013 20:20

Well and truly anyfucker- the reams of evidence provided shows just how much cleverer than me all you are. Never mind not one has backed up a claim, its easier just to insult, assume and present ones own opinion as fact. I bow before your academic prowess. You really have shown me..

AnyFucker · 13/02/2013 20:22

No, I haven't shown you

that would be too much to ask

AnyFucker · 13/02/2013 20:22

gotta be realistic here...

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