It's up to mums to teach their boys that pubic hair on women is normal!?

[Uppatreecuppatea]

I've read countless surveys and reports over the last few months that state that young men would be 'grossed out' if they went to bed with a woman and found that she had pubic hair.

They seem to think that all women either come hair free or should wax it all off.

I think a lot of this attitude comes down to them viewing porn where it's normal for a woman to have zero pubic hair and a neat little pudenda.

It's a worry. I quizzed the local boys who work in our pub and they all wax their chest and think pubic hair is disgusting on both men and women.

So glad I am married to a man who appreciates the 70's!

But what is in store for our young girls?

No incest, rape, domestic violence are issues chik.

Pubes no.

Golly, indeed Op.
Though you still won't persuade me to discuss pubes with ds or his girlfriend, that is so an invasion of privacy.
Neither will I discuss mine with him, God forbid.

Well OP if you thought both parents should be involved why did you say MUMS in your OP?

Porn was not always around the way it is now. Don't you read MN for a start and all the problems that women have with their husband's watching porn.

What a stupid thing to say.

If it's not an issue for you, then why bother responding? Chick.

I don't believe that any young man would actually be 'grossed out' by pubic hair in reality. It's just show boating in the same way that young men show off in front of their mates.

Gosh you sound awfully angry. Are you having an experience in your RL that is making this issue particularly hurtful for you?

I'm concerned about the objectification of Plumbers and short men with moustaches who mend washing machines.

Porn makes their jobs a living hell

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Uppatree - you said that it is up to mums to teach their sons that pubic hair is ok on a woman - how does that imply it is a job for both parents?

If you have realised that it was a mistake to try to make it solely mums' responsibility, then have the guts to say so, don't try to rewrite history.

My 3 DSs see my 70s pubes every day - and teir dads. We go about naked quite happily at home - kids included.

Do I get a gold star!

Seriously, I hope none of my DSs partners will ever give a stuff what DSs think about their pubes and vice versa.

And yes, both parents should educate their children. I thought that was implicit.

Implicit? Really? Your stated that mothers should educate their boys.

What are the fathers doing and who is educating the girls?

Uppatree, if you wish to chat to your sons about women's pubes then do so.

It is a non issue. I don't say porn was a non issue.that would be a stupid thing to say.

What women do with their pubes is nowt to do with porn, its fashion.

My mom shaved her pubes in the 60/70s,

It's not a new phenomena.

I remember my mother PLUCKING her leg hairs. This would have been in the 70's

Uppatree's right that it's a porn thing. Tbbf, anyone who doesn't agree can't have encountered current net porn. Universal hairlessness is the norm, and has been for years now. That's what kids see when they see porn: no pubes.

As for it being a mum's thing, I only assume that I'll be the one to discuss it with my DSs because I really am a lone parent. Their dad's dead. Were my DH still around I would give good money to hear him hold forth on the topic. He was a very earthy man and could be extremely funny.

I have watched porn, last night actually.

So called soft porn is usually hair free but you can find anything on the net from ' pregnant prostirutes' ' hairy minges' and 'granny sex'

Anything and everything is out there.

I suggest the posters who say its all hairless haven't really accessed many sites.

It's not new, I remember shaved pubes in pictures in the 70s.

As a teen we all shaved in the 80s...

It is nothing new..

thebody.... how is it you can't see that access to porn now is so different to the pre-2000s? We all know that.

Before, as teenagers in the 70's / 80's, it was 'girlie' magazines.

Now porn is mainstream. And yes, you do get specialiast porn. But you CANNOT argue that mainstream porn is hair-free and that this type of everyday porn doesn't affect the way men view women.

I'm really trying to see your point of view but i really don't think you can argue with the facts.

But when are you going to answer the point that you said in your OP that it was for MUMS to teach their SONS?

I wondered that too, 11plus. I think that question is being ignored.

I think so too SDTG.

Have you got sons Op?

I did answer it...I said mums, dads ...whatever. Read the whole thread and take notes next time. Is that really important? Sorry, I'm a single Mum and it was the first thing that came to my mind. So sue me.

So glad you are able to pick up the salient points.

My argument is that shaved hairless pubes are NOT NEW.

Some women have always done it just as some didn't, same as today.

If your research is a few teens down the local who, quite frankly, must have thought you were either coming on to them or trying to be 'down with the kids' then your research is not really serious is it.

I have sons, I have no desire to discuss pubes with them. Why would I?

But what about teaching daughters and sons that they can do whatever they like with their pubic hair. And indeed any hair anywhere.

It really isn't a big issue. It's a fashion. In twenty years it'll be something different.

Oh and you still sound angry. Is there something going on in your life that is making this a particularly resonant argument for you?

What you said was

"And yes, both parents should educate their children. I thought that was implicit."

But it wasn't implicit in your post - your OP specifically said MUMS and BOYS