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AIBU?

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To not let my DS learn to dive.

302 replies

Sandy11 · 27/01/2013 22:06

My DS is 16 and wants to lean to dive. He says he has found a club for beginners of his age and really wants to learn. He is quite shy and has not had many hobbies. The only problem is that the lessons would last from 4 - 6 pm on a Sunday. The centre is miles away in the city and I am not prepared to drive so he would have to go on the train. I am worried that something bad would happen to him he is 16 but I don't think as a parent I should let him travel far about an hours journey on the train at them times. It would not affect his school work but you don't know who lurks about today. He is really shy and feel guilty for not letting him do this and it is not expensive either. Am I being unreasonable stopping him?

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Viviennemary · 28/01/2013 19:21

This is beyond being over-protective it is just plain ridiculous. Sixteen is quite old enough to travel by train on a Sunday afternoon. And I agree it will do him good starting a new interest and meeting new friends.

Pandemoniaa · 28/01/2013 19:22

But it is just I don't trust people out there especially since he will be on his own in a city.

But you already live in a city. Also, does he not travel to school alone? Or have any activities outside the house? Only a 16 year old should be enjoying a social life. Do you allow him to go out in the evening at all? Only keeping him smothered in cotton wool is likely to make him less safe.

exoticfruits · 28/01/2013 19:24

Do you not think it a little silly that someone who is able to drive himself in less than 12 months can't get a train and walk from the station at teatime?!

magimedi · 28/01/2013 19:25

Sandy11 - You are almost an abusive parent to your son. Let him go & do what he wants to do.

I have posted the following quote for as long as I have been using the internet & I still think it rings true:

Kahlil Gibran

"Your children are not your children.
They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself.
They come through you but not from you,
And though they are with you yet they belong not to you.

You may give them your love but not your thoughts,
For they have their own thoughts.
You may house their bodies but not their souls,
For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow,
which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.
You may strive to be like them,
but seek not to make them like you.
For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday.

You are the bows from which your children
as living arrows are sent forth.
The archer sees the mark upon the path of the infinite,
and He bends you with His might
that His arrows may go swift and far.
Let your bending in the archer's hand be for gladness;
For even as He loves the arrow that flies,
so He loves also the bow that is stable."

Read that I think about it - really, really think.

voddiekeepsmesane · 28/01/2013 19:31

magimedi love it . I know it can be hard but you have to let them live OP.

magimedi · 28/01/2013 19:34

and think about it not I think about it - but I have thought about it a lot. And you need to also.

Goodadvice1980 · 28/01/2013 19:39

YABVVVVU OP!!

littleduckie · 28/01/2013 19:42

I'm confused. You live on the outskirts of Birmingham and then you say Stoke - Stoke is not on the outskirts of Birmingham.

exoticfruits · 28/01/2013 19:45

I love that poem magimedi and think it ought to be given to every parent at birth!

JugglingFromHereToThere · 28/01/2013 19:48

It could be the making of him !

Go for it ! Both of you x

helpyourself · 28/01/2013 19:53

I hope this is a reverse AIBU. OP I am on my knees with tiredness due to ferrying dcs around this weekend. 2am bed on Saturday, as I drove to collect dd, also aged 16 from a party. I did it happily as I want her to make friends (new school) and I sent her there by train and taxi n the dark from London. Another 3 hours driving various dcs around and arranging lifts for another one...And I'm an anxious, over parenting mother hen- that's what mobile phones are for!

BigGiantCowWithAKnockKnockTail · 28/01/2013 19:54

OP all I can think about whilst reading your comments is all the incredibly successful sports men and women who thank their parents publicly for their unconditional support during their childhoods. Yes, 16 may be late to come to a sport, but it does happen and people can go on to be hugely successful. Do you really want to be the person who prevented their son from success because you didn't want to drive him and were too terrified to release him from your grasp to get the train?

It's really really sad.

PfftTheMagicDraco · 28/01/2013 20:01

There is nothing dodgy about the centre of Bham, much less at 6pm.

FutTheShuckUp · 28/01/2013 20:20

Stoke is nowhere near Birmingham, its a close to Birmingham as Lincoln is.
And why dont you trust people? And do you not realise how utterly unhinged you sound? Please get some help for YOUR issues as I was your son and you were my mum many years back- it just resulted in lots of lying, sneaking around and resentment

ladymariner · 28/01/2013 23:46

Way back up post I said the Op sounded a really nasty piece of work......I was right. Add 'unhinged' to that as well for good measure.

BertieBotts · 28/01/2013 23:54

OP maybe you should see your GP about your anxiety. It really doesn't sound healthy.

sashh · 29/01/2013 07:31

I don't think we need to drag out the melodramatic competitive statements of "When I was 16, I..."

I think we do because I don't think any of them are particularly daring / would put someone in danger. I think they just show the OP the wide variety of things 16 year olds do and can do and have done.

PureQuintessence · 29/01/2013 09:19

Let him try for 3 months and see!

socharlotte · 29/01/2013 09:29

OP, give him til he's 17 tells you to Fuck off and enlists in the army. They'll be stuff all you can do to stop him.
Under 18s need parental consent according to the British Army website

UnhappyDaughter · 29/01/2013 09:31

(Name changed for this post)

OP, I am your 16 year old son. Except, along the way I've morphed into a late 30-something woman.

When I was in my teens I was a really shy, lonely teenager. I recognised that I needed social activities outside school. So I begged my parents to let me go to a drama youth group? Id thought this would be ideal. They hummed and harred and made excuses. It was about 20 mins walk on a nearby housing estate (of the middle-class new build kind, in a respectable home counties small town).

In my GCSE year, I lost my dad, flunked my exams and went to nearby 6th form college, instead of school 6th form. I left most of my friends behind, and didn't really make new ones apart from class mates to chat to in lessons & the cafeteria.

My mum was uber-neurotic and ridiculously over protective. I wasn't allowed to go up to London, even though it was only an hour on the train. I didn't even really have a 'curfew' as such, as I couldn't get out under her restrictive criteria, such as not walking home after dark, even tea time in winter. A lift had to be with a parent, not a friend who'd passed their test.

I had no self-esteem or confidence to get a Saturday job and be financially independent with regard to teenager-y stuff like music, cinema tickets, going out socialing etc. She only gave me a tiny amount of pocket money (enough for a magazine/chocolate bar).

My mum had a driving license, but was too anxious and phobic about driving, so my freedom was severely curtailed in that regard. She sold my dad's car when he died as she wouldn't use it. I remember begging her to let me learn to drive and get a car we could share, but she was paranoid I'd crash, or be killed by a drunk driver. I think at the time the running costs for a small car were about £25 a week (early '90's). That felt so out of my league in the same way a £200,000 Porshe would seem to most of you reading.

My mum also belitted my interests as well, like that the local Amnesty International group would be full of dangerous lefties, or I shouldn't study Sociology, as "there's no such thing as society".

I ended up dropping out of college a few weeks before my A Levels, as I was so depressed and lonely I hadn't really done any work for them. I spent a year practically house bound with extreme social phobia and under the care of a mental health social worker, I couldn't even go and sign on, I was so terrified of the prospect.

Somehow, I got back into college the following year and did my A Levels and on to University. But the constant feeling of being belittled for my own values and interests has never left me. I am stuck in an extreme poverty mentality, that I am just not worth any wage, and even a minimum wage job seems so out of my league, because my mum didn't value my social life and psychological well being when I was younger. I've never held down a permanent job in my life? just drifted in and out of low paid office temping work & the like since uni. You can imagine how shit that makes me feel. I'm married now, but very little money of my own, just a few £ what I can make on Ebay etc now and then. I'm ok now, if a bit shy, in general social gatherings, but I'm so terrified of interviews and work situations that I'm like a rabbit in the headlights. I've been sacked on the spot in jobs for not getting basic tasks right due to anxiety. I'm effectively unemployable, I have a degree and am pleasant and personable, but I have no confidence or skills.

I'm sat here typing this in tears. Please, Sandy11? this is what over protective parenting does to the human psyche down the years . Please do not let your son become like me. If anything, you need to be pushing him out of the nest. Please give him a personal allowance to be able to go off and follow interests and do teenager-y things. What happened to me couldn't be any worse than if I had been an outgoing socialising teenager and got mugged/raped on the way home from a club or whatever.

curryeater · 29/01/2013 09:35

Huge hugs for unhappydaughter. you have articulated all that so well. I am sorry you still feel so limited by your experiences, and I am hoping you will find a way out.

PessaryPam · 29/01/2013 09:37

So sorry Unhappy. We have forced ourselves to let our daughters go even though I have had times of intense private worry about them because the point of parenting is to produce happy and functional human beings. Keeping them is an emotional prison is completely toxic for their development.

Unhappy, I hope you can continue to rebuild your life and get back on track.

OP you need to let your DS risk a little, and it is a very minuscule risk, as the rewards are so high.

socharlotte · 29/01/2013 09:47

'What happened to me couldn't be any worse than if I had been an outgoing socialising teenager and got mugged/raped on the way home from a club or whatever. '

..you think!!!!!

I don't know unhappy, I don't think most of your examples were all that unreasonable.You do seem very good at blaming everything that is wrong in your life on your mum.

bruffin · 29/01/2013 10:04

My ds got mugged. It wasn't the end of the world. He got over it pretty quickly and carried on with his life. I think he was 15 at time coming home from school.
It was 4pm in daylight and he wasnt alone, and with lots of people around which meant thankfully a few witnesses. Boys eventually got arrested and prosecuted.

fuckadoodlepoopoo · 29/01/2013 10:06

Unhappydaughter. That's awful Sad

Socharlotte. That's harsh! Bringing up a child to be terrified of everything and with so much negativity can leave them crippled emotionally. It has a huge profound effect. As much affect in my opinion as anything physical, so i see what unhappydaughter means by saying its as bad as being attacked.

My own nan was a nervous anxious person and was overprotective of her children. Both of her children were left with anxiety issues which left both her children unable to work for the rest of their lives, with anxiety disorders and one of them couldn't even leave the house.

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