To wonder why so many women are in denial about misogyny?

[seeker]

What do they get out of insisting that men are subject to exactly the same level of discrimination and abuse as women? That Mary Beard, for example, would have been treated in the same way if she had been a man?

I just don't get it.

the lack of disrespect? surely thats a good thing?

Yeah yeah whatever delboys. Lack of respect, obviously!

Mary Bell????

Which does highlight one of the problems Delboy has understanding this thread. If you don't know who the person in question actually is, then how can you make informed comment on the topic?

Abigail - I mentioned the issue with sport before. I love ice hockey, but women have largely retreated to tumblr accounts with other women to follow it, because the misogyny on the more mainstream sites is so horrible.

Men are fans. Women are puck sluts. And any player doing badly is a pussy. The insults thrown at fans from other teams are all gendered. It's horrible and depressing, and most female fans avoid it by clustering together. Funnily enough, we manage to do that without insulting anyone - even misogynist fans.

It's actually a problem for the mainstream sites, if they only knew it, because they're losing revenue in losing visitors. But as the staffers are all male, they won't be aware it's an issue, either.

Incidentally, in Steubenville there's a big, mainstream fan site for the local high school sports teams, as they're a huge deal in that town. And not one women's team is included. Not one. It's all boys.

That sounded awfully lofty

I want to know what these problems are that feminists make up. what are these problems that do not really exist ? Are you going to answer that?

I used to work as a waitress in a greasy spoon when I was 14, 14 years ago. The type of comments I would receive regularly:

Old enough to bleed, old enough to butcher

I always shag my waitresses.

There were many more that I've forgotten over time. Also, men seemed to think it was ok to pat my bum, put their arms around me etc. Being young and naive, I thought nothing of it, but now I can recognise it was disgusting and intrusive and, despite my age, I was just an object to them.

Men like that are revolting to me now, and I would be ashamed if my boys went around behaving like that. Young women need to be educated that this is not acceptable behavior.

Yep perfectstorm, totally agree (and that is awful about Steubenville). Jessica Ennis was subjected to remarks about her weight by someone within British Athletics FFS. She hadn't even had the temerity to voice an opinion, but her looks are open season, apparently.

Young men need to be educated that it isn't acceptable behaviour fattybum. The women aren't doing anything wrong!

But I dont think it is as common, or is as big a problem as feminism makes out

IMO it is as common. I read & contribute to the Everyday sexism project. Depressingly I contribute a fair amount. Your arguments are poor and not backed up by evidence.

Domestic violence? Or does it only count if there is sexualised violence?
Gender pay gap?

delboysfileofax I note you have not responded when I asked if you were a man.

Please do so. Given your consistent dismissal of misogyny as an issue, it is extremely pertinent.

Please also tell me if you have at any time been in paid employment within the sex industry.

Well read something else then. It is a big site. I am sure you can find something else that suits you to moan about. (Moaning is pretty sexist as words go as well - generally directed at women who have legitimate grievances).

This always happens. Might I suggest we ignore delboy and move on? She obviously has her own agenda or she would not be ignoring my direct question about what she means by "Yep thats it- just trying to derail an argument rather than pointing out that maybe just maybe someone might be wrong about part of their argument." and picking up typos instead.

I'm not suggesting the women are doing anything wrong, but that if nobody tells them being treated like that is wrong, they accept it, thereby men get away with it. They pick on young innocents because they know they'll get away with it. I never objected to this treatment because at 14 I didn't realise it was wrong. It was the norm to me.

so you can make a typo abigail but I cant?

Del, are you a man? Yes or no?

And have you ever worked in the sex industry? Do you have a personal motive in denying a link between the objectifying of women, and sexual violence, basically?

I agree seeker let's move on.

I tried about an hour and a half ago but everyone ignored my post

Why do people ignore misogyny? Generally I think because the alternative is bloody depressing AND apparently you get labelled a hysterical butter if you see it.

I agree with Seeker and we should move this debate forward.

I think some women don't believe that their is Misogyny because they have an "I'm allright Jack" attitude.

Actually anonymous how often do you hear of a man being called 'hysterical' when reacting against something?

Opps Nutter wouldn't mind being called butter quite as much

look up hysteria you are very close to being right

Am I male- yes
Have I ever worked in the sex industry? According to a previous thread working at a strip club in a previous job then yes I have

[[http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=hysterical hysterical (adj.)
1610s, from Latin hystericus "of the womb," from Greek hysterikos "of the womb, suffering in the womb," from hystera "womb" (see uterus). Originally defined as a neurotic condition peculiar to women and thought to be caused by a dysfunction of the uterus.]]

HTH.

Denial indeed.

Del, please answer my questions.