To wonder why so many women are in denial about misogyny?

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What do they get out of insisting that men are subject to exactly the same level of discrimination and abuse as women? That Mary Beard, for example, would have been treated in the same way if she had been a man?

I just don't get it.

Gosh Sigmund, anyone else you want to silence?

I'm missing the part where LRD slagged off your sons, could you point it out? There's a love.

Sanctimonious enough for you?

You know what Solid... It's wonderful that my distress is giving you a great opportunity to chuck my words back at me. Lovely.

She did not say you were a "shit mother". You are implying what you want to in order to be most offended.

If you stir and try and wind up and contradict and try and wreck as much as you have on a thread which started with the best of intentions, you cannot be offended when it bites you on the arse.

Your distress? Your distress that someone WHO HAS NEVER MET YOUR SONS said they weren't being brought up properly? Except, they didn't even.

That's distress?

Please. I know a great grip shop, I suggest you go there.

I don't think you would feel this 'distress' if you read what was actually being said.

Many people on this thread have tried to help you by suggesting how they raise their sons. I am learning from them and I feel very lucky to have their imput.

I have never said the things you claim I've said. It is important not to lie - children pick up these traits from adults, too.

Jeez, anyone else want to put the boot in while I'm on the back foot? Take advantage of the situation? oh, you already are..

Some of what you have said has upset me Sigmund So I guess we are both distressed...

Don't be so silly.

I think you should step away from this if it is upsetting you so much.

Nice LRD. Enjoy your moment.

Sigmund, given the context created by your 21.43 post yesterday (this one: 'A feminist son?? Is that so he can absorb even more shit about how privileged and oppressive he is? The fact that he's never harmed a woman in his life, but has to endlessly apologise for the few that do? A son who puts women's rights before his own? Well how nice. It might interest you to read posts by sons of feminists, a few end up normal, a few end up as MRA's and a few end up having no identity, apologising forever. Whatever floats your boat ( and lets be clear, it is yours, not your sons).') I think LRD is just trying to express another view about how feminists bring up their sons.

I don't know why you've decided it's a statement that you will do the opposite, but even if it was, you would rather seem to be dishing it out but not being able to take it here.

No one is 'taking advantage' except you.

You have attributed views to me I've never expressed. You are taking advantage of this situation. I am hoping no-one deletes your comments (though there are certainly against MN guidelines) because that way it will be clear that you have lied.

God almighty, it's an internet chat forum. You realise you are free to step away any time you like, right? Take advantage, stick the boot in, on the back foot - over-dramatising, much?

Yes LRD, enjoy your moment. On an internet chat forum. Bet you're fucking thrilled right now.

Absolutely, just. So much so I'm going to give it a break now. What with me not being the mother of anyone, it's best I do, if this is going to turn into a thread about sig and parenting. That wasn't what I was commenting on and I don't want to get into it.

SF, your comments upthread about how feminists raise their sons was offensive. You said that sons of feminists are being raised wrongly. I took offence but didn't start telling you to fuck off and calling you a cow

how interesting that you are now upset at a perceived slight on your parenting

I would echo the poster that said you are making a fool of yourself. You need to calm down. Being attacked while you are on the back foot ? Not at all. You put yourself there, seriously.

What have I dished out? An opposing view. Isn't that allowed? You don't need to answer that one actually.

Of course you can put opposing views. It's the essence of Mumsnet. But if you express them rudely people will do the same back to you.

'SF, your comments upthread about how feminists raise their sons was offensive. You said that sons of feminists are being raised wrongly. I took offence but didn't start telling you to fuck off and calling you a cow'

I didn't pluck that out of thin air. Obviously I have read blogs and posts on the subject. You can't ignore the fact that for some, this is the case.

It's just that most people, if they are arguing and arguing against the huge groundswell of common consent, might stop and reflect for a moment about their own views rather than barging on regardless and then becoming "distressed" and offended.

Oh right, well if you read about it, it means you can be as rude as you like.

I once read that non-feminists all have massive boils on their arses. How is that massive boil on your arse? Is it massive and full of pus?

I was furious. At least I didn't threaten to drag LRD to court like one feminist did to another poster in FWR about a year ago, if we're talking about OTT reactions.

'Oh right, well if you read about it, it means you can be as rude as you like.'

Ugh. Pot. Kettle.

Do you mean Earwicga? That was indeed a massive over-reaction, and quite funny.

No at least you didn't do that. The feminists are worse.