To wonder why so many women are in denial about misogyny?

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What do they get out of insisting that men are subject to exactly the same level of discrimination and abuse as women? That Mary Beard, for example, would have been treated in the same way if she had been a man?

I just don't get it.

Good God, we don't agree with every single Mary Beard says
What hypocrites we must be.

every single thing, that should have been....

Do you know what, if you look for misogyny, you'll find it. If you devote your life to looking for misogyny, it's all you will ever see.

I don't have to say much at all to be jumped upon, I think that speaks volumes really.

'You know that you can dislike Mary Beard and yet still defend her, right?'

Of course, but don't pretend it's for her benefit, it's not, it's for yours.

So what, Sigmund? Some people will defend in a self-interested way, some for the good of women in general. Is that such a big deal? You're very rarely going to find anyone acting against self-interest.

Of COURSE I benefit when men don't post pictures of other women's faces on genitals. So does Mary Beard. It's all good, in my opinion.

And yeah, if you start looking for misogyny, you find it. Of course. That doesn't mean it's not there.

'Do you know what, if you look for misogyny, you'll find it.'

No shit, Sherlock.

What did you think, we were all unconvinced of the existence of misogyny but were going on a bear hunt to find it?

I do wonder why there's never any threads on MN about how racism doesn't exist and it's all in people's heads or how homophobia doesn't exist and the gays just want to stop making such a fuss.

It really saddens me, actually.

Er, it saddens me that people say misogyny doesn't exist, that is...not that there's no threads saying racism doesn't!

You know what I'm talking about LRD. It distorts a persons view until misogyny is ALL they see. It's all you see, and that's a real shame. Your glass isn't half empty, it's permanently empty.

I have achieved clairvoyance? How exciting!

But no, sorry, no idea what you're talking about.

I think perhaps your view is becoming distorted, until you think everyone sees what you see.

But misogyny ISN'T all I see. A lot of the time, I see no misogyny.

Not sure how that works if sometimes I see it and sometimes I don't.

It's almost as if every situation has to be taken on its own merits.

'I have achieved clairvoyance? How exciting!'

You see misogyny everywhere, it's pretty much all you ever talk about.

'Er, it saddens me that people say misogyny doesn't exist'

I don't think many people say it doesn't exist.

OK, seriously, that it's not in the things I see it in. Split hairs if you like.

This is a fascinating ( and worrying ) thread.

I do not need to be convinced about casual, 'throwaway' misogyny. DH worked most of his life in an all-male environment and the stuff he used to tell me about what the blokes talked about was quite horrifying - and he didn't tell me the worst stuff.

I met a lot of these guys and they appeared to be ordinary, not obviously sleazy or weird.They were mostly husbands and fathers BTW, not single and not young.

It made me realise that any random bloke you meet, however pleasant seeming could potentially talk about women in an unpleasant/sexist/demeaning way.

I do not mean to say that all men do this, just that you can't tell from talking to an individual man and it happens a lot more than ever I used to think.

Yes, it's pretty much all I talk about, sig. I never post about anything else, and my entire life is taken up with preparing for the revolution.

(I never thought I'd be glad to point out I can also bore for England about dyslexia, arcane etymologies, medieval women, history teaching, quilting, the West Wing, and languages.)

Sorry, JustA...that 'see misogyny in everything' post was for LRD.

'I do wonder why there's never any threads on MN about how racism doesn't exist and it's all in people's heads or how homophobia doesn't exist and the gays just want to stop making such a fuss.'

JustAHolyFool, I think if MN had existed 20 or 30 years ago there would have been such threads, about racism at any rate. I definitely remember hearing people insist it was mostly in people's minds.

LOL Sigmund I think it says more about the threads you read than what LRD talks about most of the time.

Pretty much all Sigmund ever talks about is how feminists are wrong. I wonder why that is. Never seen him in any of the other topics I frequent.

OK LRD. Whenever I see you on MN, misogyny is pretty much all you talk about.

Medieval women and quilting are quite interesting.

I think that's because you post such a lot in FWR, sig. Funnily enough, we do talk about misogyny in there.

Maybe if you tried out some of the other sections of the site more often, you'd discover other topics?

'Never seen him in any of the other topics I frequent'.

You are incredibly rude, not least because you are using the term 'he' as an insult. I have more than one username, along with many others on here who have different usernames, So it's not that unusual that you haven't seen me on any other topics.

I haven't posted in FWR for ages. Check my history.

Mary Beard was full of shit on QT, telling a woman in Lincolnshire she knew more about what was happening in the town she lived in because she had "read a report" by some academic. People like her really get up my nose, which isn't to say she deserves all the abuse she's getting but what does she expect when she treats people with contempt?