To wonder why so many women are in denial about misogyny?

[seeker]

What do they get out of insisting that men are subject to exactly the same level of discrimination and abuse as women? That Mary Beard, for example, would have been treated in the same way if she had been a man?

I just don't get it.

Oh don't be silly. Of course calling somebody a cunt is more offensive Han calling somebody a prick or a dick. Anybody with the slightest grasp of English swear words, or who has ever discussed appropriate use of language with a teenager knows that!

Another derail. I do so wonder why!

'And I can't actually bring to mind a case when a man has been the object of public vitriol without having done something more than expressing a reasonably mainstream opinion'

That would be because you don't look for it, however you look pretty hard for grievances against women. And men tend to not make a fuss generally.

Mary Beard was pretty dignified in her response, far more dignified than the responses of others.

I had hoped to find some reasoned debate on this board.

Rude and patently not true.

Felicity. SO let me get this straight its OK to call a woman butch as an insult but its abhorrent for men to call a man effeminate

Nope not what I think, or incidentally what I said.

because.....erm.....youve decided that you know how men think and are therfore basing this around your assumption of a male mindset

Constant ''....... '' Rude and patronising to boot.

No I have offered an explanation of the way I believe society thinks. Happy to accept different viewpoints on this, but it is my opinion of the way society functions in this respect. Based both on experience and reading on the subject.

.........yes.......explanation of your point would be great.

I will offer further explanation if you go back and read the original and post questions that demonstrate you have both read my post and have stopped deliberately misunderstanding me/being rude. HTH.

'men tend not to make a fuss'

That 'clunk' you're hearing is several million women falling off their chairs laughing.

"And I can't actually bring to mind a case when a man has been the object of public vitriol without having done something more than expressing a reasonably mainstream opinion. And even then, the public vitriol is never of such an overtly violent and sexual nature."

If you're going to C&P me, sigmunde, at least do it properly. I've added the important sentence you left out.

Could you find me some examples, then?

'That 'clunk' you're hearing is several million women falling off their chairs laughing.'

Several feminists, leave the rest of us out of it.

I'm SICK of people derailing this thread! This thread was created to talk about misogyny and problems women face. If you are so concerned about "men's right and problems", create a separate thread! Can't we have a thread about misogyny without the 'men get it just as bad!' crowd getting involved?

No no...we are all on the floor...its just you, still sitting

Men tend not to make a fuss? Search for 'Men's rights' on Reddit and then speak to me.

"And men tend to not make a fuss generally."

yeah, that's a thing. Bloody fussy women.

You didn't need to add the rest of your post seeker, I'm sure people managed to read it in full the first time around.

'And even then, the public vitriol is never of such an overtly violent and sexual nature'

How would you know? Have you looked?

susan
Isn't Pansy also a woman's name, therefore its logically associated with females rather than males. Unless, of course, you know several blokes with that name?

'Can't we have a thread about misogyny without the 'men get it just as bad!' crowd getting involved?'

This has been done to death, but just in case you missed it, this is a public forum. Public, not private. In other words, people can talk aboutanything, sorry.

We know that sig. We're wondering why they bother. HTH.

SigmundFraude Just because people can talk about anything, doesn't mean they should, sorry.

'No no...we are all on the floor'

It figures.

Right, so during a public lecture about, say, space, would you stand there going "NO BUT THE SUN ISN'T MADE OF GAS, IT'S SOLID I KNOW BECAUSE IT JUST IS BECAUSE BECAUSE WAAAAAAH?"

You want a thread about men's rights, go right on and start one and the feminists promise to not go there. It can be all about how men have it way way harder and yet never make a fuss about it.

PS, if men never make a fuss, what about MLK? Bob Crow? Are they just making a fuss, or are their fights more important to you, Sigmund?

Is that the first time Bob Crow and MLK have been compared? Crow would be crowing with delight.

Even with the derailing and the Deletions this has been a very interesting thread, thanks Seeker

LRD - I know, it's terrible, all these misogynistic women talking about men's problems, it's not like they have any eh?

The thing is, Sigmund, you never come across as if you're arguing your corner. It's just defensive and reactive. It doesn't seem like you ever have any evidence or as if you've really thought about these issues, so it's really easy to dismiss you.

I'd far rather have it out with someone who actually has an opinion. I've clashed with WorraLiberty loads of times about breast-feeding/porn/shaving legs but I can actually be arsed with her, because she has her stance and she's prepared to defend it.

Not just "BIG MEAN FEMINISTS, BE QUIET."

Like I said, Mary Beard had dignity. The irony of all this is the absolute slating she got on FWR, you weren't so keen then. She serves a purpose now though, doesn't she.

SigmundFraude Sure, men have problems. Black men have problems to do with race, gay men have problems to do with sexuality. However, women have FAR FAR more problems exclusive to gender than men do and that's what this thread is about.

Yes, you clearly know me well Holy Fool.

You say it exists, sigmunde, you show it to me. I can't find any. I can't prove it doesn't exist, because you can't prove a negqtive. But with a few clicks of a mouse I can find loads of vile, violent, sexual anti woman stuff. Show me the same sort of thing directed at men, and I will be as outraged on their behalf as you are. But I need to see it first.

Trust me, Sigmund, I remember you well because you always do this. Argue and argue and argue and then in...ooooh, 37-odd minutes you'll do a massive flounce.

You'll probably even end up in flouncers' corner.

You know that you can dislike Mary Beard and yet still defend her, right? I hate Thatcher, but I'd still defend her against all misogynistic comments.