To wonder why so many women are in denial about misogyny?

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What do they get out of insisting that men are subject to exactly the same level of discrimination and abuse as women? That Mary Beard, for example, would have been treated in the same way if she had been a man?

I just don't get it.

I don't think it's ok for a builder to shout and wolf-whistle at a woman walking down the street, no. If she doesn't mind, that's her business. I don't get your point about things women say themselves, I'm afraid. I'm not answerable for all women, obviously.

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No. No one says a man reacts in an hysterical fashion to something. It's used against women in a similar fashion to ' time of the month is it?'

Both are used to suggest a woman reacts solely based on her hormone levels and her argument/reason is not valid. Because she is a woman.

So you'd legalise the trading of human organs for money, Anonymumous ? Does the fact that it's illegal in every country in the world (except Iran) not suggest that there may be some issues with it?

People will be paid to do anything in the world. It doesn't mean it's ok or ethically sound.

Would you be counting your blessings if you were drugged, gang raped, and then an entire town conspired in a cover up and then to blacken your name?

Let's not forget that one of the boys who took photos of the rape in progress, by his own sworn testimony, was found to have photos of two other girls on the same phone, also naked, also facedown on the same distinctive carpet, and also apparently unconscious. He says he had no idea how they got there and they're nothing to do with him, and that was just... accepted.

The indications as to what that might mean are obvious, I would have thought.

But apparently no-one has ever heard the word 'hysterical' used in relation to a man, because it's all about women's bits and hysterectomies, don't you know...

It's used in a humour context with men. I have never heard anyone say a man became hysterical as a way of saying he was unreasonable and belittling him, no. Not once.

Would you think racist words with similarly dark origins were acceptable?

And it did. Thank you :)

You on the other hand, are an admirable person, full of enlightenment, understanding, enquiry and intelligence.

Have a lovely day.

Gosh Anonymumous what a well-reasoned argument! You've completely changed my views.

On the contrary Anonymumous, I think you are quite funny.

Just sidetracked by wondering how anyone with half a brain and any imagination at all could "possibly find the history of women's suffrage boring^!

Oh God, you really are a bunch of humourless old farts aren't you?!

Racism isn't funny, either. And an ad hominem attack is widely regarded as the last resort of someone who has no actual arguments to make, so you aren't helping yourself there.

Yes Anonymumous so bored you stayed on the thread for 3 hours!

Old?

How bizarre.

Oh for fuck's sake.

It's happened again- sock puppets and trolls. I don't know how we actually have a sensible discussion about things like this. Maybe we can't. Unless we learn not to engage. I know it's practically irresistible- but maybe we could try?

You quite clearly aren't bored, BTW. You're upset and embarrassed and angry, and I'm genuinely sorry about that, because you plainly meant no malice. But you really haven't thought any of your statements through, and when they effectively collude in attitudes that lead to some horrible wrongs, you are going to be challenged on it. It's just a shame that you are so obviously unwilling to even consider the counter-arguments. But such is life.

She's not a troll. She's a regular.

Gosh, was it a social experiment as well? That's the usual one people on younger threads use in your position.

And if you want me to pull up your posting history and illustrate my reasons for disbelieving that you are trolling, I can. Just saying.

Would you care to explain why? What do you get out of it?

Well, thanks for derailing what had the potential to be an interesting discussion for a lot of people, Anonymumous . I suggest a hobby to get you out of the house.

So fucking depressing.

Sorry your thread was derailed seeker :(.

I wonder if it's too late to get it on track, and if she comes back, or that other idiot, I will try, at least, to ignore them. I really think I have a lot to learn about this stuff.