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To have discplined my SILs children as she was doing nothing...??

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Shinyballsandtinsel · 15/12/2012 13:11

Two days ago, DH, me, our three DCs (9, 11, 13), granny, SIL and her two DCs went out for a meal in the evening (early about 7.00pm) for one of granny's landmark birthdays. We went to a chain pub, which later on turns into a club with bouncers on the door, no children after 9pm etc. It is in a town well known for stag/hen nights, however this time of year it is mostly Christmas parties.

It was very very busy, behind our table there were two long tables of about twenty people each, which looked like work do's. The bar was also very busy - there were steps leading down to the restaurant bit from the bar.

Our food arrived quite quickly. When we had finished our meal, we were waiting for the staff to bring plates for the birthday cake. My SILs older DC started running around and around the table very fast (aged 5yrs). SIL sat there doing nothing. Then the her younger DC started doing it also (aged 3yrs), whilst they were running the 3 year old ran into the legs of a fully laden waitress who nearly dropped all her plates. SIL still just sat there. They were running within close proximity of the people sitting on the end of the work do tables.

SIL was completely oblivious to it all, so I grabbed the 3yr old on his next run around, and plonked him down on a chair beside me, and said in quite a firm voice "sit down now, those people are having their dinner and Granny is about to have her cake". He immediately burst into tears, SIL glared at me, grabbed him on her lap. The 5 year old continued to run around the table, and then ran up the steps on her own into the bar area, my DH went to get her back, when she arrived back he put her onto her chair, she immediatley slid off under the table and started the running around thing again.

They have behaved like this before, I often make excuses for not going out when they are going to be there, as the children's behaviour, or rather the mother's complete oblivion to their behaviour actually winds me up. In the past she also literally just sits there whilst her children run around other people's tables, talk to strangers eating, ask if they can try some of their food (I kid you not!) and generally act as if they are in a playground. SIL has said in the past she thinks it cheers people up to see her kids smiley faces, and they are so freespirited and cute nobody could get annoyed with them..... Hence why I usually make my excuses, but as it was granny's landmark birthday couldn't get out of it.

Anyway, the saga continues - we all take it in turns to do Christmas dinner, this year is SILs turn to do it at her house. Today DH has received a telephone call to say that we are no longer invited for christmas day, as SIL is upset that I took it upon myself discipline her child, and it will ruin their Christmas if I do so again.

I am of the opinion that I am quite pleased not to have to go around there, and am happy to break away from the big family Christmas and start having Christmases at home with just our family, but Granny has now rung up very upset, and asked DH if I can apologise and make an excuse, i.e. say I was stressed at work or something.

I am not happy to do this, as I am not sorry. AIBU to not aplogise even though it will probably upset MIL?

OP posts:
ellee · 15/12/2012 23:53

What does your dh say? This is HIS family after all? His mother and sister that are both upset be it reasonably or not.

And in fairness, in the end you probably shouldn't have made a scene at mil's birthday about the sil's dcs. They're not yours. She was there. There's no need to display your superior parenting on her dcs in public imo.

ellee · 15/12/2012 23:55

Ps I'd be horrified to be the source of that much upset with my ils.

WhereYouLeftIt · 15/12/2012 23:56

AmberSocks - " if there were 4 adults and 3 older kids there i dont understand how they couldnt of been kept entertained.When we go out the kids are made to feel involved and they dont need to run off because they enjoy sitting with us and the older kids help out with the younger ones too."

OP - "I also have to add, that at first, when they were sitting nicely and eating their meals I kept heaping praise on them, aren't you sitting lovely like a really big girl, and what a lovely boy to go out to dinner with etc. SIL does not set boundaries, but likewise she does not do positive reinforcement, she simply comes out and sits there like she hasn't even got the kids with her!"

Well, OP tried, but it doesn't sound as if the SIL makes her children feel involved, does it?

exoticfruits · 15/12/2012 23:57

I don't see that she made a scene! She stopped dangerous behaviour.
Just ignore it-do your own thing and don't get drawn in-sound incredibly bored if it is mentioned.

BluelightsAndSirens · 15/12/2012 23:57

Superior parenting compared to no parenting at all?

I don't view picking a child up I'd run and placing them on a chair as making a scene, I see it as dealing with inappropriate behaviour in a busy environment wher a child could come to harm running around when people are carrying hot food and beverages.

Get a grip ellee.

BluelightsAndSirens · 15/12/2012 23:59

Mid run not I'd run - keep up iPad!

ellee · 16/12/2012 00:03

Well I do when it's not your dc. The child would want to be about to actually cause an accident before I'd intervene cause it's not my dc. End of. And it must have been a bit of a scene if both sil and mil are upset. Their mother was right there. And the advice op is getting here ain't going to help her RL relationships as far as I can see.

Bestof7 · 16/12/2012 00:04

OP was well aware that her SIL let her kids run wild before they went out that night. If she had such a problem with it, she should have said so to SIL. If SIL refused to take action, even after OP pointed out the danger to her, then the OP could have excused herself and left, saying she simply couldn't take their behaviour for another minute.

exoticfruits · 16/12/2012 00:08

This is family! You don't treat them like that! You do the sensible thing and just stop the worst of it.

exoticfruits · 16/12/2012 00:10

I am just trying to imagine saying to my SIL ' I don't want to go out with you because your DCs are badly behaved! Even worse to say 'will you stop them running' and then flounce off saying 'I can't take another minute'!

BluelightsAndSirens · 16/12/2012 00:12

Op invited granny out, granny chose the venue but you think op should leave because SIL can't/won't control her DC and invited herself along?

Friends and relatives are free to help me with my DC, a little "don't do that look" or a distracting activity to enable us to all be out togeather is fine, it takes a village to raise a child not just one lax parent.

Strange world we lve in these days.

Bestof7 · 16/12/2012 00:18

That's pretty much what the OP did say, only she said it by 'plonking' down the 3-year-old. She clearly disapproves of SIL's parenting, to the point that she avoids going out to restaurants with her. She knew exactly what they'd be doing before she set foot in the pub for Granny's party. She knew very well that any attempt to discipline SIL's children would result in an extremely offended and angry SIL.

She had two options: continue to ignore the behaviour and keep the peace with SIL, or let SIL know publicly that she thinks SIL is a crap parent. She went with option 2.

exoticfruits · 16/12/2012 00:21

She went with option 3-she just controlled the 3 year old-as any responsible adult would have done.

exoticfruits · 16/12/2012 00:22

There is nothing wrong with being a strict aunt-I had one and you just knew not to cross her. DCs are adaptable.

BluelightsAndSirens · 16/12/2012 00:24

And so would I because frankly the children were running amoke and potentially going to cause an accident and if not not an accident at least annoying other people paying for a meal out.

They are family and the SIL did nothing to control her DC so op took action, plonking is just another word for picking up a 3 year old.

Op has had a lucky escape with Christmas Day and itndoesntnaound like granny is that bothered.

Bestof7 · 16/12/2012 00:24

The intervention did not control them. The 5-year-old continued to run riot. The 3-year-old was in tears. SIL was told - in public, at a party - that OP thinks she's irresponsible.

Longdistance · 16/12/2012 00:26

Nah, I wouldn't apologize for disciplining her dc.
It's a bit rich now she manages to sanction discipline on the op by punishing her, by uninviting her to Chistmas dinner. When she couldn't be bothered to do so in the restaurant with her own dc Confused

exoticfruits · 16/12/2012 00:26

Well perhaps SIL can amend her behaviour!

Bestof7 · 16/12/2012 00:26

I agree that OP has had a lucky escape with Christmas Day. But if she was going to pick a fight about this, she should have chosen a better time.

WhereYouLeftIt · 16/12/2012 00:28

I find myself completely bemused by the don't-touch-anybody-else's-kids stance. Being an old git, when I was a small child it was 'open season' - any adult felt able - obliged, even - to tick off any child misbehaving.

Bestof7 · 16/12/2012 00:29

This will not make SIL amend her behaviour. OP knew that before she did it. (She said SIL thinks their behaviour is free-spirited and cheerful.)

exoticfruits · 16/12/2012 00:30

She hasn't picked a fight, she did what any responsible adult would have done with someone else's DC-if SIL wants to make an issue over it that is her problem. Just ignore her and she will come round-the only way to respond.

exoticfruits · 16/12/2012 00:31

All those people who have 'free spirits' should be challenged-it generally means they are a pain in the neck to everyone else!

Bestof7 · 16/12/2012 00:33

If any of my SILs grabbed my kids and made them sit still at a restaurant, I'd thank them. But then my children would not have been running around in a restuarant - never have, never will. And my SILs damn well would intervene, and good on 'em.

The point is that the OP knew how her SIL would react to the intervention, but snapped and did it anyway. OP said it winds her up. If it winds her up that much, she should speak to SIL calmly, away from Granny's party.

exoticfruits · 16/12/2012 00:34

You then get the DCs saying 'you can't tell me off-you are not my mummy' which is untrue-anyone can, and often will, tell them off (but unfortunately not as often these days)