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To have discplined my SILs children as she was doing nothing...??

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Shinyballsandtinsel · 15/12/2012 13:11

Two days ago, DH, me, our three DCs (9, 11, 13), granny, SIL and her two DCs went out for a meal in the evening (early about 7.00pm) for one of granny's landmark birthdays. We went to a chain pub, which later on turns into a club with bouncers on the door, no children after 9pm etc. It is in a town well known for stag/hen nights, however this time of year it is mostly Christmas parties.

It was very very busy, behind our table there were two long tables of about twenty people each, which looked like work do's. The bar was also very busy - there were steps leading down to the restaurant bit from the bar.

Our food arrived quite quickly. When we had finished our meal, we were waiting for the staff to bring plates for the birthday cake. My SILs older DC started running around and around the table very fast (aged 5yrs). SIL sat there doing nothing. Then the her younger DC started doing it also (aged 3yrs), whilst they were running the 3 year old ran into the legs of a fully laden waitress who nearly dropped all her plates. SIL still just sat there. They were running within close proximity of the people sitting on the end of the work do tables.

SIL was completely oblivious to it all, so I grabbed the 3yr old on his next run around, and plonked him down on a chair beside me, and said in quite a firm voice "sit down now, those people are having their dinner and Granny is about to have her cake". He immediately burst into tears, SIL glared at me, grabbed him on her lap. The 5 year old continued to run around the table, and then ran up the steps on her own into the bar area, my DH went to get her back, when she arrived back he put her onto her chair, she immediatley slid off under the table and started the running around thing again.

They have behaved like this before, I often make excuses for not going out when they are going to be there, as the children's behaviour, or rather the mother's complete oblivion to their behaviour actually winds me up. In the past she also literally just sits there whilst her children run around other people's tables, talk to strangers eating, ask if they can try some of their food (I kid you not!) and generally act as if they are in a playground. SIL has said in the past she thinks it cheers people up to see her kids smiley faces, and they are so freespirited and cute nobody could get annoyed with them..... Hence why I usually make my excuses, but as it was granny's landmark birthday couldn't get out of it.

Anyway, the saga continues - we all take it in turns to do Christmas dinner, this year is SILs turn to do it at her house. Today DH has received a telephone call to say that we are no longer invited for christmas day, as SIL is upset that I took it upon myself discipline her child, and it will ruin their Christmas if I do so again.

I am of the opinion that I am quite pleased not to have to go around there, and am happy to break away from the big family Christmas and start having Christmases at home with just our family, but Granny has now rung up very upset, and asked DH if I can apologise and make an excuse, i.e. say I was stressed at work or something.

I am not happy to do this, as I am not sorry. AIBU to not aplogise even though it will probably upset MIL?

OP posts:
MrsFlibble · 16/12/2012 00:34

My DD is a "Free Spirit", but Mummy here knows that "Spirt" needs to be reigned it at times, at home she can as free as she pleases.

Bestof7 · 16/12/2012 00:35

Of course the people with those charming free spirits should be challenged. But not by proxy through their kids. If she has a problem with SIL's parenting, she needs to take that up with SIL.

And OP very much did pick a fight.

exoticfruits · 16/12/2012 00:36

If it winds her up that much, she should speak to SIL calmly, away from Granny's party.

And you really think it will do any good-SIL will take control in future? Hmm

exoticfruits · 16/12/2012 00:37

If she has a problem with SIL's parenting, she needs to take that up with SIL.

Now that really would cause a rift!

MrsFlibble · 16/12/2012 00:37

OP did something her SIL was too lazy to do, kids could have got hurt, so if picking a fighting over unsuring DC's safety then say be it.

MrsFlibble · 16/12/2012 00:38

Jeez i cant spell now

Bestof7 · 16/12/2012 00:39

Do you really think insulting her in public by grabbing and seating her toddler will do the trick? Hmm She didn't grab the child because that was going to make SIL see the light. She did it because it was getting on her tits that the children were running around.

exoticfruits · 16/12/2012 00:39

I am with OP-there is no way I would tell other people that I don't approve of their parenting-I would just step in if they were not doing anything and it was getting dangerous and/or annoying others.

Bestof7 · 16/12/2012 00:41

She HAS caused a rift. Either by her choosing or just in the heat of the moment, she decided to go ahead and have it out with SIL over this.

exoticfruits · 16/12/2012 00:41

She did it because it was getting on her tits that the children were running around.

Exactly and the DD will think twice next time auntie is around! Being an old dragon has its uses- next time she can probably manage with just a look.

Bestof7 · 16/12/2012 00:42

By 'stepping in', you are saying you don't approve of their parenting. But in my opinion it's the cowardly way out. If you disapprove of the parenting, tell the parent.

MrsFlibble · 16/12/2012 00:42

Ans Best, if my niece or nephew were getting on my tits, i do the same, as my sister would with my DD.

I state again, DC already bumped into a waitress, if DC did it again, could have got hurt, then SIL would have acted by blaming the waitress, if you cant be arsed to control your kids then dont take them out.

exoticfruits · 16/12/2012 00:43

she decided to go ahead and have it out with SIL over this.

She didn't-she was taken by surprise that she wasn't wanted for Christmas dinner-which appears to be a blessing in disguise. Grin

Bestof7 · 16/12/2012 00:44

No, I think it was the DD that kept right on running about. The very occasional meal with auntie won't affect her behaviour if Mummy thinks it's okay 24/7.

MrsFlibble · 16/12/2012 00:44

and OP has said, they have tried to make SIL realise and it hasnt worked, what a complete stranger had done it, would that make it better?

exoticfruits · 16/12/2012 00:45

If you disapprove of the parenting, tell the parent.

Rubbish! The parent disagrees and still does nothing. Tackle the DC and at least you get the result you want!

exoticfruits · 16/12/2012 00:46

The very occasional meal with auntie won't affect her behaviour

It will if auntie is enough of an old dragon! (at least when auntie is there)

MrsFlibble · 16/12/2012 00:46

If you disapprove of the parenting, tell the parent

Yes, because lazy parents are so receptive to that advice.

Bestof7 · 16/12/2012 00:47

MrsFibble, I clearly don't agree with SIL's parenting. However if her DH and their own mother (Granny) were saying nothing, there was a reason for that. And it's that it's my way or the highway with SIL.

I think OP is well out of Xmas dinner. But I reckon she shouldn't have caused a big old THING about this at Granny's party. Thus I think she should explain and apologise to Granny.

catkind · 16/12/2012 00:48

I think YWouldBU to discipline someone else's children. Much as we all want to discipline other people's badly behaved sprogs, in my book it's not in order unless you have parent's implicit permission. But I don't really think what you did here was disciplining, it was just sitting the child down at the dinner table. I didn't hear your tone of voice though, if it was a disciplining tone of voice then I would say YABU.

Apart from any issues of whose job it is to discipline, child hasn't as far as I can tell been told not to run around, and moreover is only following older sibling so has no reason to know better.

Bestof7 · 16/12/2012 00:48

The auntie admits herself to almost never being there. And I doubt SIL will be more willing to learn via one of her kids being publicly chastised.

MrsFlibble · 16/12/2012 00:50

Best And it's that it's my way or the highway with SIL.

and clearly SIL way, is do nothing, including when her 5 year old wanders into the bar area full of strangers, leaving OP's DH to go get her.

exoticfruits · 16/12/2012 00:51

I don't think she needs to explain to Granny-she knows! I would just say 'sorry but it was dangerous and annoying and needed to be done.'
Carry on as normal and if SIL wants to make a thing about it look mystified. Pretending not to understand can be very useful at times.

Bestof7 · 16/12/2012 00:53

MrsFlibble... possibly you missed the part where I said I don't condone SIL's parenting. You can stop explaining to me whey their behaviour was poor. That's really not my point.

exoticfruits · 16/12/2012 00:54

Much as we all want to discipline other people's badly behaved sprogs, in my book it's not in order unless you have parent's implicit permission

This is simply not true outside your own home and it is unfair to give your DC that impression, anyone can and will tell your DC off if they wish-you can complain, argue and defend but you can't stop it.