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To have discplined my SILs children as she was doing nothing...??

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Shinyballsandtinsel · 15/12/2012 13:11

Two days ago, DH, me, our three DCs (9, 11, 13), granny, SIL and her two DCs went out for a meal in the evening (early about 7.00pm) for one of granny's landmark birthdays. We went to a chain pub, which later on turns into a club with bouncers on the door, no children after 9pm etc. It is in a town well known for stag/hen nights, however this time of year it is mostly Christmas parties.

It was very very busy, behind our table there were two long tables of about twenty people each, which looked like work do's. The bar was also very busy - there were steps leading down to the restaurant bit from the bar.

Our food arrived quite quickly. When we had finished our meal, we were waiting for the staff to bring plates for the birthday cake. My SILs older DC started running around and around the table very fast (aged 5yrs). SIL sat there doing nothing. Then the her younger DC started doing it also (aged 3yrs), whilst they were running the 3 year old ran into the legs of a fully laden waitress who nearly dropped all her plates. SIL still just sat there. They were running within close proximity of the people sitting on the end of the work do tables.

SIL was completely oblivious to it all, so I grabbed the 3yr old on his next run around, and plonked him down on a chair beside me, and said in quite a firm voice "sit down now, those people are having their dinner and Granny is about to have her cake". He immediately burst into tears, SIL glared at me, grabbed him on her lap. The 5 year old continued to run around the table, and then ran up the steps on her own into the bar area, my DH went to get her back, when she arrived back he put her onto her chair, she immediatley slid off under the table and started the running around thing again.

They have behaved like this before, I often make excuses for not going out when they are going to be there, as the children's behaviour, or rather the mother's complete oblivion to their behaviour actually winds me up. In the past she also literally just sits there whilst her children run around other people's tables, talk to strangers eating, ask if they can try some of their food (I kid you not!) and generally act as if they are in a playground. SIL has said in the past she thinks it cheers people up to see her kids smiley faces, and they are so freespirited and cute nobody could get annoyed with them..... Hence why I usually make my excuses, but as it was granny's landmark birthday couldn't get out of it.

Anyway, the saga continues - we all take it in turns to do Christmas dinner, this year is SILs turn to do it at her house. Today DH has received a telephone call to say that we are no longer invited for christmas day, as SIL is upset that I took it upon myself discipline her child, and it will ruin their Christmas if I do so again.

I am of the opinion that I am quite pleased not to have to go around there, and am happy to break away from the big family Christmas and start having Christmases at home with just our family, but Granny has now rung up very upset, and asked DH if I can apologise and make an excuse, i.e. say I was stressed at work or something.

I am not happy to do this, as I am not sorry. AIBU to not aplogise even though it will probably upset MIL?

OP posts:
exoticfruits · 15/12/2012 19:21

And removing your DC would be a good result for many people!

TisTheSeasonToBeJolly · 15/12/2012 19:24

Yes I know lljkk thanks lol. The funny thing is AIBU is asking for peoples opinions. Yet if someone actually gives their truthful opionion people jump up and down about it. How dare I go against the majority of people, this is what I get for not being a sheep!

SauvignonBlanche · 15/12/2012 19:25

There's a big difference between fence sitting and "That disgusting behaviour from an adult woman". Hmm

MrsFlibble · 15/12/2012 19:26

Also as adults we are allowed to debate issues and others opinions too.

Wabbitty · 15/12/2012 19:26

Story stolen from another website

(At the checkout counter, a mother and her son are behind an elderly lady in line. The kid keeps bumping on the elderly lady with their shopping cart.)

Elderly Lady: ?Excuse me, young lady, could you please tell your son to stop pushing your cart on me??

Mother: ?No way! You must not upset children! That?s how they get traumatized!?

(The mother indeed does nothing to stop her son. Suddenly, another customer?young man standing in line behind them?takes a jar of jam, opens it, and pours it on the mother?s head.)

Mother: shocked and dripping with jam ?Are you CRAZY? What the h* are you doing??

Young Man: ?Listen, lady. You see, I was also raised like this, with no limits. I did everything and whatever I wanted? and I still do!?

(The mother quickly leaves the store with her son, angry and covered with jam. For the record, the elderly lady insisted to pay for the jam.)

TisTheSeasonToBeJolly · 15/12/2012 19:27

Exocticfruits, I am not obviously anything. You can't judge what kind of person I am by a few posts Iv written.

BoneyBackJefferson · 15/12/2012 19:28

Tisthe season

I am another one who hasn't spoken to my SiL for several years due to a similar "disagreement" over parenting.

The irony is that about six months later my niece was hurt because she ran in to a waitress carrying hot soup.

My SiL according to the family blames the waitress for not looking where she was going.

MrsFlibble · 15/12/2012 19:32

My SiL according to the family blames the waitress for not looking where she was going.

As i stated earlier, who gets the blame, the waitress, now thats unreasonable.

Aspiemum2 · 15/12/2012 19:32

I have noticed on aibu that several posters can disagree and it's fine but then someone will come along and change the tone of the thread and that's when people get narky.

It's not that people are having a go at someone with a different opinion, it's the way that opinion was originally worded that is the problem.

The implication that the OP was somehow cruel and had done something awful was, as far as I can see, only mentioned by one poster.

AmberSocks · 15/12/2012 19:32

i agree with tis too.

NolittleBuddahsorTigerMomshere · 15/12/2012 19:33

YADNBU I would have done exactly the same. DN's reaction to your very reasonable (and age appropriate) reminder of how to behave in certain situations, and why, is very worrying to me, as it suggests he is confused and literally crying out for rules and boundaries Sad. SIL's reaction also worries me, as IMHO someone who is so immature should not be having children.

BoneyBackJefferson · 15/12/2012 19:33

MrsFLibble

Thats how my family saw it and why the members of teh family who where there are also no longer spoken to by the SiL.

lljkk · 15/12/2012 19:33

It strikes me that I rarely take mine to restaurants in big part because I cannot relax. Mine behave ok, but I am all tensed up the whole time keeping tabs on their behaviour, so I have little appetite. I'd just as soon not be there. Wait until I get home so I can actually enjoy eating something.

Do many of you eat out often with your kids, do you actually enjoy it?

SauvignonBlanche · 15/12/2012 19:35

You knew what the children were like before you went for the meal. You didn't have to go. Granny isn't your mother. The children are not even related to you! You were very unreasonable putting your hands on someone elses child. That disgusting behaviour from an adult woman

That is all we have to judge you on but it doesn't put you in a good light TisTheSeason.

NannyEggn0gg · 15/12/2012 19:37

If I was a customer in a restaurant and a child kept coming up to me and interupting my meal, not to mention having the cheek to ask to taste it, I would be having stern words with them, not to mention, with their mother also.

Children are not the centre of the universe and it's time some of them learnt that sad lesson.

MrsFlibble · 15/12/2012 19:39

lljkk I eat out with my friends and my daughter, out of 3 adults, im the only one with a child, i enjoy it, and my 2 closest friends have never complained, normally if you give my DD a colouring book, crayons, she'd forget we were even there.

FTRsawMammykissingSantaClaus · 15/12/2012 19:39

Yanbu not only were they misbehaving, they were putting themselves and others at risk. Your sil sounds like a very lazy parent.
It seems like Christmas at home, just you, DH and the DC would be far more relaxing than being on 'high alert' at SILs as once you know about the behaviour it's very difficult not to see it.
Enjoy making some new traditions, have some Wine, eat lovely food and relax Smile

P.s definitely no apology!

youmaycallmeSSP · 15/12/2012 19:44

YANBU. I've been 'the reasonable one' in this kind of situation many times before with a drama queen SIL and it has never helped in the longer-term. This year I put my foot down over some truly awful behaviour by her and now she's busy telling everyone how horrible I am for not apologising. We now have no contact and it is sooo nice! No dramas, no tantrums, no pandering to an adult brat. Lovely.

Enjoy your Christmas!

simplesusan · 15/12/2012 19:44

Op- I think you have done nothing wrong.
If it were me I would say fine we won't go to sil and I would tell her not to come to you either.
You will enjoy Christmas much more.
Don't appologise you have done nothing wrong.

CabbageLeaves · 15/12/2012 19:47

OP - enjoy your 'get out of a chaotic Christmas' card

I hate badly behaved kids. A whole whole restaurant would have been irked by these children. They risked injury and the waitressing staff must have found it difficult

Your SiL is being a prima donna. The earlier suggestion that you accept her thoughts and won't hold any bad feeling about it.. is a good one

cantreachmytoes · 15/12/2012 20:13

YNBU

Sounds like your SIL holds everybody hostage - your MIL certainly doesn't seem capable of telling her she's seeing you and arrange to see SIL separately. Nobody wants SIL upset. My SIL is the same and at every single family gathering she causes some problem.

Agree with earlier poster about getting your husband to call her, say he/you understand she's upset and you'll see her another time.

Then crack open the bubbly, because sounds like you're going to have a great Christmas. Your MIL, on the other hand will have a day with kids running riot! Grin

babybythesea · 15/12/2012 20:14

I can give a more extreme example of the OP's case.

My friend was eating lunch in a cafe in London with a group of mates and at the end of the meal, they were standing on the street saying goodbye and so on, as you do, when a young child (3 or 4 years old) came haring our of the door of the cafe. This is on a main road, so busy (cars, buses etc). Child runs in a straight line and is headed for the road. The girl standing next to my friend had the best 'overview' of what was happening - saw the kid emerge, saw the line he was running in and stepped out and grabbed his shoulder as he passed, a second or two before he legged it into the road. Fully grabbed him, to the extent he spun on the spot slightly and fell over. Much more dramatic than the OP! Mum appears a few seconds after that, oblivious to the fact that her child has nearly shot into the busy road, and proceeds to lay into this girl for daring to touch her son and making him cry. if she hadn't he'd have been under a car (as my friend pointed out) but she didn't care - no-one has the right to touch her child and she was well aware of where he was and he likes to run etc etc.

When someone posts something very similar, although the situation appears less immediately life-threatening, it does make me wonder just how much danger a child has to be in before it's acceptable for someone else to lay a finger on them and make them cry. I'll accept that a hot plate of food coming through and dropping on the child is a less apparent danger than an oncoming car, but it is still a danger.

nannyof3 · 15/12/2012 20:20

I would say sorry for granny's sake

lechatnoir · 15/12/2012 20:20

maybe next time you could be a bit more considerate & suggest either going out earlier or without children later in the evening. 8pm in a busy pub/restaurant with bouncers & 18-30 type groups sounds a wholly inappropriate time & place for a 3 & 5 yr old. ever considered that SIL thought sod it, if they insist on going out this late then they pay the consequences when it gets past bedtime!! Btw, where was your brother during all this?!

ShipwreckedUnderTheTree · 15/12/2012 20:22

You missed the post earlier then, lech, where op said SIL was absolutely fine with the time because the kids didn't usually go to bed until 9pm??

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