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To have discplined my SILs children as she was doing nothing...??

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Shinyballsandtinsel · 15/12/2012 13:11

Two days ago, DH, me, our three DCs (9, 11, 13), granny, SIL and her two DCs went out for a meal in the evening (early about 7.00pm) for one of granny's landmark birthdays. We went to a chain pub, which later on turns into a club with bouncers on the door, no children after 9pm etc. It is in a town well known for stag/hen nights, however this time of year it is mostly Christmas parties.

It was very very busy, behind our table there were two long tables of about twenty people each, which looked like work do's. The bar was also very busy - there were steps leading down to the restaurant bit from the bar.

Our food arrived quite quickly. When we had finished our meal, we were waiting for the staff to bring plates for the birthday cake. My SILs older DC started running around and around the table very fast (aged 5yrs). SIL sat there doing nothing. Then the her younger DC started doing it also (aged 3yrs), whilst they were running the 3 year old ran into the legs of a fully laden waitress who nearly dropped all her plates. SIL still just sat there. They were running within close proximity of the people sitting on the end of the work do tables.

SIL was completely oblivious to it all, so I grabbed the 3yr old on his next run around, and plonked him down on a chair beside me, and said in quite a firm voice "sit down now, those people are having their dinner and Granny is about to have her cake". He immediately burst into tears, SIL glared at me, grabbed him on her lap. The 5 year old continued to run around the table, and then ran up the steps on her own into the bar area, my DH went to get her back, when she arrived back he put her onto her chair, she immediatley slid off under the table and started the running around thing again.

They have behaved like this before, I often make excuses for not going out when they are going to be there, as the children's behaviour, or rather the mother's complete oblivion to their behaviour actually winds me up. In the past she also literally just sits there whilst her children run around other people's tables, talk to strangers eating, ask if they can try some of their food (I kid you not!) and generally act as if they are in a playground. SIL has said in the past she thinks it cheers people up to see her kids smiley faces, and they are so freespirited and cute nobody could get annoyed with them..... Hence why I usually make my excuses, but as it was granny's landmark birthday couldn't get out of it.

Anyway, the saga continues - we all take it in turns to do Christmas dinner, this year is SILs turn to do it at her house. Today DH has received a telephone call to say that we are no longer invited for christmas day, as SIL is upset that I took it upon myself discipline her child, and it will ruin their Christmas if I do so again.

I am of the opinion that I am quite pleased not to have to go around there, and am happy to break away from the big family Christmas and start having Christmases at home with just our family, but Granny has now rung up very upset, and asked DH if I can apologise and make an excuse, i.e. say I was stressed at work or something.

I am not happy to do this, as I am not sorry. AIBU to not aplogise even though it will probably upset MIL?

OP posts:
clam · 16/12/2012 22:54

Good response. Maybe now your SIL will reflect on the fact that her flouncing, diva-like behaviour has resulted in a lonely Christmas. She was bloody rude to you. Now her chickens have come home to roost.
Good for you.

Angelico · 16/12/2012 22:58

Just read whole thread OP - I think she is probably regretting the whole situation but has backed herself into a corner. Suspect she knows she was BU, especially with the robot comment which was just nasty and childish.

People who don't discipline their kids know that their kids behave badly. I've met people who are quietly shamed by how their kids behave but are not quite ashamed enough to tackle the behaviour head on and deal with the initial fall out. Sometimes they come from really overly-strict homes and try too hard to be caring, liberal parents; other times they're just too knackered to deal with the conflict. It's easier to hide behind phrases like 'spirited children'. I don't care how 'spirited' a child is, they still need to know how to sit at a table!

Shinyballsandtinsel · 16/12/2012 22:58

The whole thing has left me feeling drained, thank god for MN to vent on!

I will do an update tomorrow after work once I see DH and find out how the conversation went!

OP posts:
MrsFlibble · 16/12/2012 23:24

Is your SIL a total headcase Shiny?

I feel sorry for you DC's being completely over shadowed by the "free spirts"

I'd put my foot down and say "SIL is not invited"

Dubjackeen · 17/12/2012 02:12

OP you are a saint! Well done on not rising to the CRAP your s.i.l has tried on. I have followed the thread with interest. She is definitely on the back foot now. What time do you want us...indeed. As another poster said, how about the twelfth of never...and don't forget an 'X' at the end of your message...

Jacksmania · 17/12/2012 03:22

I think it was actually Shiny who said "how about the twelfth of never"... that's fab, can I borrow that? :o

CaliforniaSucksSnowballs · 17/12/2012 03:32

OMG what a prize your SIL is. Mine can be very nasty, but is sneaky enough not to put anything in writing and never say anything in front of a witness. Helps when she decides to deny anything and re write history.
I hope you have a lovely peaceful Christmas

SpecialAgentKat · 17/12/2012 04:23

So after your DH told his mum is was not on to emotionally backmail you and then lie about it... She's gone and done it again?! Shock Angry

DH needs to have a serious talk with MIL this time. She needs to butt out.

You haven't mentioned BIL, what's he like? >nosy

AndABigBirdInaPearTree · 17/12/2012 06:01

"Oh, ok. Mum says its around yours Boxing Day, what time do you want us? X"

Gosh, would be seriously tempted to tell her she is uninvited until she apologises to you.

SpecialAgentKat · 17/12/2012 06:06

She was never INvited! MIL took it upon herself to invite SIL, despite OP's DC saying how excited they were because they never get to spend time with Granny as the ferals steal all the attention. Granny agreed with them.... Then went behind OP and her DH's back for the 506th third time, even after apologising for doing so in the first place! Angry

God,no wonder SIL is the way she is... MIL sounds just as manipulative as her daughter! SHE wants to play Happy Families at Christmas, so she'll do whatever it takes to make that happen.

Be prepared for more. Neither of them is letting this go. Wouldn't be surprised if SIL got out-and-out nasty now, not just bitchy.

Hope your robots are prepped and ready for family war! Xmas Grin

AndABigBirdInaPearTree · 17/12/2012 06:09

BTW, I had one 'robot' and one 'spirited'. My oldest was very well behaved when out with quite an adult palate and we took him all over to fancy restaurants and later dinners.

My youngest was 'spirited' and a picky eater and tended to loose it late at night (or at nap time or when the sun was shining or there was a Y in the day or...). Guess what, we didn't eat out much when he was young and when we did it was early and a family buffet-style place where people were much more used to back arching and screeching and throwing peas. We kept him as busy as we could, took him with us to get food so he had plenty of chances to get out of his seat and didn't accept many invitations.

I was pretty smug about my parenting skills WRT to social situations and manners until my second came along.

AndABigBirdInaPearTree · 17/12/2012 06:10

Oh and I know she wasn't invited, I was just turning the situation back on her.

SpecialAgentKat · 17/12/2012 06:11

Sorry for misunderstanding!

You sound a great mum. :)

AndABigBirdInaPearTree · 17/12/2012 06:24

Thanks, but I don't think that many people around us thought I was a great mum at the time. I think a lot of people tended to give us a wide berth because DS was such hard work at times and was that kid at playgroup.

SugaricePlumFairy · 17/12/2012 06:38

Just caught up !

As I was reading the end I had a feeling SiL would try to invite herself on BD.

Well done for your lovely non aggressive text back making clear they aren't invited.

Be prepared for more arseyness as I'm sure she'll fire off another nasty text.

Please update!Xmas Grin

DorsetKnobwithJingleBellsOn · 17/12/2012 06:46

Good luck today, sorry I know your MIL sounds lovely but to be honest your DH needs to talk to her.

BoneyBackJefferson · 17/12/2012 06:47

Skyla2
"is whether or not you'd like to be a part of the big family do~? For peace sakes,"

From the sounds of it peace is pretty much out of the question, a line has to be drawn somewhere and this is as good a time as any.

exoticfruits · 17/12/2012 07:52

DH does need to talk to MIL. I would say, from all the exchanges, that SIL knows that her DCs are badly behaved and she has rather backed herself unto a corner with the 'robots' comment. It seems a good time to straighten things out and I would say that she may well apologise for it- given time and Christmas on her own.

flow4 · 17/12/2012 08:42

Just to mention... If I'm not mistaken, our information that MIL has interfered comes from SIL herself, and may be a pack of deluded lies not be strictly true! Grin It is possible that MiL said "I'm going to son and OP's on Boxing Day" and SiL is just trying it on with "MiL says it's round yours on BD"...

CaHoHoHootz · 17/12/2012 08:43

shiny I love your last text message. It is perfect. I bet SIL feels rather deflated now.

ImNotCute · 17/12/2012 09:51

Well handled op, you've been really restrained. You've got the point across that her kids cannot expect to be at every family occasion unless she handles their behaviour, but without resorting to being insulting or bitchy.

I hope things will start to cool down a bit now and you can enjoy Xmas, I'm not surprised you're feeling drained.

msrisotto · 17/12/2012 10:09

WOW She is incredible. You have to be blunt, she demands it! And yes, she was spoiling for a fight. Now she's trying to back track. Weird woman.

MrsFlibble · 17/12/2012 10:10

For 46 yo woman, i think OP's SIL, has missed out of 30 years of maturity.

SoftKittyWarmKitty · 17/12/2012 10:53

Having read this whole thread I think you've been very measured, OP. Your SIL being upset at you 'disciplining' her DC is the least of your problems, it seems. Your SIL is clearly used to getting her own way and throwing a strop if she doesn't. Your MIL, and to an extent your DH, have let her get away with her tantrums and manipulation for a quiet life. Is she the 'baby' of their family by any chance?

I'm willing to bet she'll try to manipulate/sweet talk/tantrum either your MIL and/or your DH into getting an invitation on BD. Don't give in - you'll regret it.

LemonBreeland · 17/12/2012 11:34

Wo she has elephant skin doesn't she. Absolutley hilarious. Your text was perfect.