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To have discplined my SILs children as she was doing nothing...??

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Shinyballsandtinsel · 15/12/2012 13:11

Two days ago, DH, me, our three DCs (9, 11, 13), granny, SIL and her two DCs went out for a meal in the evening (early about 7.00pm) for one of granny's landmark birthdays. We went to a chain pub, which later on turns into a club with bouncers on the door, no children after 9pm etc. It is in a town well known for stag/hen nights, however this time of year it is mostly Christmas parties.

It was very very busy, behind our table there were two long tables of about twenty people each, which looked like work do's. The bar was also very busy - there were steps leading down to the restaurant bit from the bar.

Our food arrived quite quickly. When we had finished our meal, we were waiting for the staff to bring plates for the birthday cake. My SILs older DC started running around and around the table very fast (aged 5yrs). SIL sat there doing nothing. Then the her younger DC started doing it also (aged 3yrs), whilst they were running the 3 year old ran into the legs of a fully laden waitress who nearly dropped all her plates. SIL still just sat there. They were running within close proximity of the people sitting on the end of the work do tables.

SIL was completely oblivious to it all, so I grabbed the 3yr old on his next run around, and plonked him down on a chair beside me, and said in quite a firm voice "sit down now, those people are having their dinner and Granny is about to have her cake". He immediately burst into tears, SIL glared at me, grabbed him on her lap. The 5 year old continued to run around the table, and then ran up the steps on her own into the bar area, my DH went to get her back, when she arrived back he put her onto her chair, she immediatley slid off under the table and started the running around thing again.

They have behaved like this before, I often make excuses for not going out when they are going to be there, as the children's behaviour, or rather the mother's complete oblivion to their behaviour actually winds me up. In the past she also literally just sits there whilst her children run around other people's tables, talk to strangers eating, ask if they can try some of their food (I kid you not!) and generally act as if they are in a playground. SIL has said in the past she thinks it cheers people up to see her kids smiley faces, and they are so freespirited and cute nobody could get annoyed with them..... Hence why I usually make my excuses, but as it was granny's landmark birthday couldn't get out of it.

Anyway, the saga continues - we all take it in turns to do Christmas dinner, this year is SILs turn to do it at her house. Today DH has received a telephone call to say that we are no longer invited for christmas day, as SIL is upset that I took it upon myself discipline her child, and it will ruin their Christmas if I do so again.

I am of the opinion that I am quite pleased not to have to go around there, and am happy to break away from the big family Christmas and start having Christmases at home with just our family, but Granny has now rung up very upset, and asked DH if I can apologise and make an excuse, i.e. say I was stressed at work or something.

I am not happy to do this, as I am not sorry. AIBU to not aplogise even though it will probably upset MIL?

OP posts:
takataka · 16/12/2012 20:37

I don't think i have judged the OP, have I? Confused

BluelightsAndSirens · 16/12/2012 20:38

similarly I don't see why your DH took it upon himself to follow the 5 yr old into the bar area.It really was NOHB!

I honestly don't understand this ^ attitude, he witnessed his little niece wander off and went to fetch her back, make sure she is safe, keep her out of other diners way and you think it's none of his business?

I appreciate all the help I can get when we are out with family and friends, I enjoy my night more knowing I don't have to be hawk eye mum all night because I have my friends and family around me and my DC, we all help and support each other without giving it a thought. It's normal behaviour in my world.

PessaryPam · 16/12/2012 20:40

I have always kept an eye out for small children and this thread tell me I should not do this.

MrsFlibble · 16/12/2012 20:41

Im sure, in 20 years time the authorities and potential employers would just love their "personalities"

flow4 · 16/12/2012 20:45

Shiny, I'm impressed that you've resisted the temptation to sink to her level - it's hard to do in the face of such provocation!

I have a DS17 and lots of experience of dealing with stroppy and deliberately provocative teenage behaviour - and that is basically what SIL's behaviour is. Hmm Grin When she called your DCs 'robots', she knew she was being insulting: it is a very common 'teenage' gambit: basically, someone immature who knows they are already in the wrong will do/say something wrong again, in the hope that the other person will snap and also behave badly, and so lose the 'moral high-ground' and divert attention. It will have bugged the hell out of her that you entirely ignored it!

Shinyballsandtinsel · 16/12/2012 20:48

It is immature, particularly as SIL is 46!

OP posts:
PessaryPam · 16/12/2012 20:50

Man, my DS don't speak to any more is 52!! She is and has always been a total slopey shouldered cunt.

PessaryPam · 16/12/2012 20:51

Plus should explain my dislike of her was occasioned by her treatment of DF.

flow4 · 16/12/2012 20:57

It may help to think of SIL as a teenager! Teens often do this odd thing of pretending to be all grown up and independent on the surface, while actually behaving like toddlers... IMO your SIL doesn't stop her DCs running round like loons because she identifies with them. Hmm

SpecialAgentKat · 16/12/2012 20:58

At the end of the day, what really gets me is all this is over OP picking up a three year old and telling him to sit down. All this. Clearly the three year old isn't the only one used to being told no, so I'd be prepared for round three if I were you

Hmm, I wonder where the kids get their 'personalities' from?

Talk about a temper tantrum! Manipulative cunt. I agree with the posters saying MIL is part of the problem after all she clearly also raised a spirited, non-robotic child

Good on your DH for stepping up. Have a merry Christmas knowing your child won't put the turkey on their head and piss in the mashed potatoes in the name of 'personality!'

Jen547 · 16/12/2012 20:58

YANBU - as a mother, a frequent eater-outer and previously a waitress her children sound like nightmares. I'm sure they are sweet and cute but that kind of behaviour infuriates me. Not their fault obviously, but hers.

PessaryPam · 16/12/2012 21:00

Oh Special that's great :-) Love the idea of pissed-in mash Xmas Grin

SpecialAgentKat · 16/12/2012 21:05

Actually Pam, OP is much more restrained than me... I would have gone and pissed in the mash myself! Xmas Wink

Not even my DC and I'm still seething over that robot comment!

PessaryPam · 16/12/2012 21:11

Haha I am with you there. My kids were 'repressed' because we set limits but strangely they are now quite well adjusted!

MrsFlibble · 16/12/2012 21:15

Have a merry Christmas knowing your child won't put the turkey on their head and piss in the mashed potatoes in the name of 'personality!'

That was just hilarious. Grin

Mollydoggerson · 16/12/2012 21:17

I think the choice of venue was extremely un-(small) child friendly . It was also late for them so they were probably hyper. I think the family could have chosen a more suitable venue for all invited to the party, they didn't and as a result there is a fall out.

The mother of the small kids should have pre-empted this, and should have let the unrelated parent stay at home with the kids. There was no way a busy pub environment full of xmas work dos would ever have worked out well.

Havn't read the whole thread. I don't think ywbu to sit the kids down. I think maybe some of the umbrage at their behaviour is a bit holier than thou, the situation wasn't suited to pre-schoolers. Their mother was lax, but maybe just let it go and say no more.

A quiet restaurant with a closed off section for groups might have suited a bit better.

exoticfruits · 16/12/2012 21:20

You do actually need to read the whole thread! It has moved on with several updates.

MrsFlibble · 16/12/2012 21:20

I think the choice of venue was extremely un-(small) child friendly . It was also late for them so they were probably hyper. I think the family could have chosen a more suitable venue for all invited to the party, they didn't and as a result there is a fall out.

It was OP and her DH taking her MIL out to a place MIL picked, SIL invited herself and DC's along. So SIL knew the place and time, and still took the kids, why should OP change plans to suit someone who wasnt invited in the first place.

SpecialAgentKat · 16/12/2012 21:21

My DTS are still too young for me to begin the process of breaking their spirits and repressing them, however they know they're only allowed a certain amount of milk from each nightfeed or they lose mobile privileges for 20 minutes! [sternface]

I want them good and boring when robotisation begins!

Reminds self to get DTD out of her new favourite habit of blowing raspberries at people. Far too spirited of her.

PessaryPam · 16/12/2012 21:23

Mollydoggerson if you had bothered to read the thread before posting you would know that th OP arranged the dinner with MIL at place of MILs choosing and it was just her family and MIL who would be attending. SIL from Hell found out and invited herself and devil spawn. Really none of it fault of OP, really.

SpecialAgentKat · 16/12/2012 21:23

Sorry for all the stupid jokes. Xmas Blush DTS have me slightly delusional with lack of sleep!

MrsFlibble · 16/12/2012 21:23

I need to break my daughters habit of saying "You getting on my nerves mother", also rather spirted.

Mollydoggerson · 16/12/2012 21:24

Mrs Fibbles thanks for the summary, OK mother of children completely in the wrong and silly too. Forget about her.

WhereYouLeftIt · 16/12/2012 21:24

Mollydoggerson, this has been covered in the thread " Granny specifically asked to go there so we booked it. SIL was well aware of the type of venue it was, and actually the restaurant bit was well separated from the bar bit, if her kids were not so badly behaved it would not have been an issue."

OP also raised the time with SIL (essentially SIL invited herself, had originally just been OP&family taking Granny out for a treat) but SIL responded that their bedtime was 9pm.

ShipwreckedUnderTheTree · 16/12/2012 21:24

Please actually read the thread Molly!
There's a so of useful update at Sat 15-Dec-12 20:26:58